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Originally Posted by El Blanco
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It seems that most in America don't get the philosophy behind it, and instead wonder "hey, what's in it for us!!?"
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Thats what everybody said when they joined. Don't single us out for that. All other countries are in because they believe they are gaining more by being part of the UN. All that peace and brotherhood bullshit is second, if at all.
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Oh, yeah, you're right. I forgot that it's America's job in the world to be the global kid on the block who cries "na ah! He did it first!!"
We are the most powerful nation in the world. It's not only our job to BE that, it's our job to act as it. We should set the standards. Every nation entered with the hope that unity would bring balance and control. With balance, we all presumably prosper and succeed.
The UN's job isn't to serve the world powers, it's to protect the lesser powers against those who might infringe upon them, and to instill some degree of global order and fairness.
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And I really don't know what the diplomats of one country have been doing. Think it adds up to what the hundred someodd member nations' groups have?
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You put people in the greatest city in the world, treat them like kings, and they will act like it. If you don't like their behavior, push to change their immunity. Diplomats act like assholes all around the world.
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Originally Posted by VinceZeb
When it comes to the dirty work, America, Britian and a few other countries are the ones who get their feet wet and their soliders in harms way. Every other country just gets to absorb the fruits of the labor, like Canada, France, etc., i.e. pussy countries.
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You mean like in Afganistan?? We're really good at the "dirty work," such as blowing things up and killing people. It's all those unpleasantries afterward we don't seem to enjoy....
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Originally Posted by GAsux
]I'm going to have to agree with Senor Blanco here. I think every nation has it's own self interest at heart when it comes to the U.N. Do you suppose the Chinese and Russians are genuinely concerned more about world peace and stability than there own self interest?
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But you're both missing the point. Of course every nation has their own interest at heart, and the point is that everyone working together and creating order IS in everyones best interest.
What we do is worse than seeking personal gain. We expect it in places we have no right demanding it, ie. the war in Iraq. We don't pay our dues, we violate the UN procedures that we would gladly adhere to if it served our purposes, and then we disregard their validity if we don't get our way.
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If every nation who's people wanted to know what the U.N. has done for them lately was kicked out, I'm thinking we'd be able to move them out of that fancy building and start having meetings at a local Dennys.
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This is incredibly unfair, and incorrect. The UN is a large organization, with many different groups doing various things. Branches such as UNICEF do a lot of good work, and to dismiss the entire UN simply because the members disapproved of the war we wanted is incredibly unfair.