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Protoclown · #26

I HEARD TEH SHOW HAS FAGETS ON IT

Ooner · #27

Drew, you're a fucking retard.

1. The show doesn't perpetuate false gay stereotypes, the gay guys are REAL PEOPLE acting like themselves, and they're all relatively "straight-acting" except for the fashion guy.

2. They're experts in fashion and interior design and shit, nobody is supposed to associate them with the average homo.

3. You don't seem to mind that the implication is that all straight guys are classless poorly-groomed slobs.

4. I only wish that those guys represented the gay community. They're actually nice and funny and smart and doing things.

5. You sound like a faggot, or like you're trying to play super-tolerant minority hero man. Fucking obnoxious.

glowbelly · #28

errrrm, most gay men i know definitely have a better fashion sense than the straight boys i know.

ANYWAYS...

i see nothing wrong with this show. as a matter of fact, i think it's brilliant. it's not exploitation of gays. it's education...and if anything it is meant to narrow the gap between homo and heterosexual people. the fab five are all experts in their respective fields. for you, proto, to minimilize their efforts to EDUCATE by screaming "gay exploitation" is worse than them actual exploting themselves for what they are: GAY QUEER ASS FOLK WHO LIKE TO SHOP, GO TO SPAS, COOK, REDECORATE, SOCIALIZE AND DRINK MARTINIS AND JUST SO HAPPEN TO HAVE OUTSTANDING CREDENTIALS AND KNOW WHAT THE FUCK THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

so there.

glowbelly · #29

ps: who the hell is drew?

Protoclown · #30

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Originally Posted by glowbelly

for you, proto, to minimilize their efforts to EDUCATE by screaming "gay exploitation" is worse than them actual exploting themselves for what they are

That's fantastic, but I never said any such thing.

As for "who is drew?", that would be the guy who was arguing about the show being offensive and exploiting gays. I've never even seen the show before.

Drew Katsikas · #31

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Originally Posted by Ooner

Drew, you're a fucking retard.

2. They're experts in fashion and interior design and shit, nobody is supposed to associate them with the average homo.

3. You don't seem to mind that the implication is that all straight guys are classless poorly-groomed slobs.

4. I only wish that those guys represented the gay community. They're actually nice and funny and smart and doing things.

Hmm, excuse me as I have difficulty choosing which of your ridiculous arguments to smash first.

I guess numerical order sounds fun.

2. No, we obviously are supposed to associate these guys as the "average homo" as you said, because the show is called Queer Eye! Not fashion eye, or designer eye, but queer eye. Apparently gay guys have a different eye than straight folks, or at least according to the show's title.

3. No, I do disagree with the stereotyping of straight males, too. But as we are in the majority, and certainly don't have to worry about a silly little show's misgivings, it doesn't bother me. I'm near positive the show's ratings are comprised mainly by straight people, not gay, becuase would you want to watch a show about how hip and artistic your sexual persuasion is? No, and neither would gays. Therefore, if they're stereotyping straights, too, it doesn't matter, becuase straights are the audience, and they probably have a grand old time thinking how tasteless they are. It doesn't really bother me, becuase people don't come up to me assuming this. This show is making a wrong reflection on the gay community, and the straight one, but the gay stereotypes are the one's that will be taken seriosuly, and cause misconcpetions among the straight world. Not vice versa. Gays interact with us everyday, and I'm sure they can make their own perception of straights.

4. Oh my God! They're actually doing things! God knows that the real gay community is sitting on their ass at home, and not doing things.

You my friend, are the one who is fucking retarded.

Psycho Squid · #32

Shut up, fag.

Drew Katsikas · #33

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Originally Posted by punkgrrrlie10

You think that African-Americans aren't still thought of as more musically talented and better dancers than whites and they aren't exploited for it for entertainment value?

Unfortunatley, it still happens, but at least people aren't blatant about it.

Fortunatley, there is no Coon Eye for the Cracker Guy.

Drew Katsikas · #34

I believe the proto confusion came about becuase my Avatar has a gif animation of him flipping out with the pirate face. This situation leads me to believe it might be avatar switching time. So, Glow, all insults are now to be channeled to me. Fun, eh?

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Originally Posted by glowbelly

errrrm, most gay men i know definitely have a better fashion sense than the straight boys i know.

Perhaps, but this isn't always the case. It's called a stereotype, whether it's good or bad. I personally don't like it when people go around talking about how great Asians are at math or Blacks are at dancing or Jews for being rich, or whites for putting down minorities, and having no rythm.

Real life example, I actually KNOW A REAL LIVE GAY GUY! He's my boss, and I work at a gardening center. He tells me what to do, and waters plants and stuff. But guess who organizes plants by color and aesthetic properties? Me! And last time I checked, naked men make my penis go flaccid. Ain't that something? I'm straight and I have design skills! Today I did a mini ladnsacping project, and he was pleased and said that he couldn't have done it better himself. I hope it doesnt come off as bragging, I'm merely trying to point out that not all gay guys are these amazing visualists. Maybe the goddamn show wouldn't be so retarded if they renamed it "Fashion eye for the clueless guy" and threw a few straight designers in the mix. I don't know, but as it stands, this show is really ridiculous.

glowbelly · #35

egads! you know, when i was reading what i thought to be proto's response to this thread, i was initially appalled that my good friend would say something so inane. i now understand my mistake.

jason, i apologize.

drew? i'm happy you know a real gay guy. really. that matters. oh, and thanks for responding to the ONE point i made that was an opinion based on my personal interaction with my real life gay boyfriends (OMG I KNOW MORE THAN ONE!!

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how about addressing my other points? you know, like the fact that these men are PROFESSIONALS in their fields, that the show is EDUCATIONAL ENTERTAINMENT and addresses the cultural barrier that is so prevelant between straight and gay males by making both sides feel good about themselves.

whatchoo gotta say 'bout that?

No, we obviously are supposed to associate these guys as the "average homo" as you said, because the show is called Queer Eye! Not fashion eye, or designer eye, but queer eye. Apparently gay guys have a different eye than straight folks, or at least according to the show's title.

dude...THEY ARE QUEER. not only are they QUEER, but they are trained professionals. sure, one may be an interior designer WHO HAS HIS OWN COMPANY, and one may be a fashion expert WHO WORKED WITH POLO, but the underlying factor here is: THEY ARE ALL QUEER. GAY. ASSFUCKERS. DICKLICKERS. FAGS. big friggin' deal.

my point? they DO have a different viewpoint on things, not only because they are experts, but because they are QUEER. if you were QUEER, you would see things as a QUEER guy. you would have a QUEER eye. THERE WOULD BE NOTHING THAT YOU COULD DO ABOUT IT.

But as we are in the majority, and certainly don't have to worry about a silly little show's misgivings, it doesn't bother me.

may i please direct you to your "please stop watching this show, shame on you mockers" post?

I'm near positive the show's ratings are comprised mainly by straight people, not gay, becuase would you want to watch a show about how hip and artistic your sexual persuasion is?

no, i wouldn't. straight people are BORING. (this is a joke, btw).

Therefore, if they're stereotyping straights, too, it doesn't matter, becuase straights are the audience, and they probably have a grand old time thinking how tasteless they are.

this makes no sense. unless you are saying that straight people are having a "grand old time thinking how tasteless" the fab five are. if that's the case, you should change your position and tell all us baddies to watch every episode to realize how wrong we are to think that QUEER people are tasteless.

Gays interact with us everyday, and I'm sure they can make their own perception of straights.

Straight folks interact with gays everyday, and I'm sure they can make their own perception of QUEERS.

FartinMowler · #36

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Fortunatley, there is no Coon Eye for the Cracker Guy.

Glowbelly probably thinks Will and Grace is funny

Ooner · #37

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Originally Posted by DrewKatsikas

I guess numerical order sounds fun.

2. No, we obviously are supposed to associate these guys as the "average homo" as you said, because the show is called Queer Eye! Not fashion eye, or designer eye, but queer eye. Apparently gay guys have a different eye than straight folks, or at least according to the show's title.

Good job arguing number 1.

You're right, they should call it "the boring makeover show with no hook" and just have an interior decorator and fashion guy and grooming expert who all happen to be gay but never talk about it so we don't think they're acting too gay for TV. Or they could try to find a straight guy, a gay guy, a black girl, a redhead, and um.... a monkey! Because I'll be damned if people are going to assume there aren't any chimp interior decorators!

Yay for Politically Correct television! Go Captain Planet!

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3. No, I do disagree with the stereotyping of straight males, too. But as we are in the majority, and certainly don't have to worry about a silly little show's misgivings, it doesn't bother me. I'm near positive the show's ratings are comprised mainly by straight people, not gay, becuase would you want to watch a show about how hip and artistic your sexual persuasion is? No, and neither would gays. Therefore, if they're stereotyping straights, too, it doesn't matter, becuase straights are the audience, and they probably have a grand old time thinking how tasteless they are. It doesn't really bother me, becuase people don't come up to me assuming this. This show is making a wrong reflection on the gay community, and the straight one, but the gay stereotypes are the one's that will be taken seriosuly, and cause misconcpetions among the straight world. Not vice versa. Gays interact with us everyday, and I'm sure they can make their own perception of straights.

That is the most nonsensical garbage I've ever read. First, fags love queer eye like they love cock. Second, good job assuming straight people can't enjoy a show without it affecting their judgments of people, but homos will see right through it all! Even if you're not gay, you still suck more metaphorical fag cock than the fab 5 combined.

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4. Oh my God! They're actually doing things! God knows that the real gay community is sitting on their ass at home, and not doing things.

No, they're more often out fucking strangers that they share with everyone else in their small incestuous social circles. I think I like the idea that they're out decorating better, thanks.

glowbelly · #38

you know ooner, you make some good points and then you have to come off and say something utterly ridiculous like this:

"No, they're more often out fucking strangers that they share with everyone else in their small incestuous social circles. I think I like the idea that they're out decorating better, thanks."

crap on YOU.

Ooner · #39

Sad but true

Gay people I like. Gay "communities" are repulsive excuses to meet people to fuck and share with your friends.

glowbelly · #40

straight people i like. straight "communities" are repulsive excuses to meet people to fuck and share with your friends.

Ooner · #41

I'll argue that since men are often more promiscuous than women, and there is a much lesser number of gay people in said communities, they are more incestuous and offer fewer alternatives to the stereotype.

Excellent point though.

Drew Katsikas · #42

drew? i'm happy you know a real gay guy. really. that matters. oh, and thanks for responding to the ONE point i made that was an opinion based on my personal interaction with my real life gay boyfriends (OMG I KNOW MORE THAN ONE!! ).

Perhaps it does matter. By knowing a gay man, I can say with proof that the tv show's portrayl of gay men is just a tad presumptuous.

how about addressing my other points? you know, like the fact that these men are PROFESSIONALS in their fields, that the show is EDUCATIONAL ENTERTAINMENT and addresses the cultural barrier that is so prevelant between straight and gay males by making both sides feel good about themselves.

I would like to think that gay males don't need a sterotypical television show to give them self worth. I sure know I'm secure enough that I can feel good about myself with out turning on the tube to some hack's idea of equality for both sexual perusasions. I'm also not within this cultural barrier you speak of, as I already interact with gay's just like any other people. The show isn't helping me see the "good" side of homosexuality. It's only playing off of the public's misconception of how artistically perceptive the gay community is.

dude...THEY ARE QUEER. not only are they QUEER, but they are trained professionals. sure, one may be an interior designer WHO HAS HIS OWN COMPANY, and one may be a fashion expert WHO WORKED WITH POLO, but the underlying factor here is: THEY ARE ALL QUEER. GAY. ASSFUCKERS. DICKLICKERS. FAGS. big friggin' deal.

my point? they DO have a different viewpoint on things, not only because they are experts, but because they are QUEER. if you were QUEER, you would see things as a QUEER guy. you would have a QUEER eye. THERE WOULD BE NOTHING THAT YOU COULD DO ABOUT IT.

Yes, if I was a trained professional, I would have this artistic eye, too. But not if I was gay. If I was gay, the eye I would possess would be one that sees big beefy men as something to get freaky with. Nothing more. For every macho weight lifting straight, there is a macho weight lifting gay. For every gay flamboyant artist, there is one that's straight, too. Gay's just like the cock. Only difference.

Now, you seem to be upset with 0oner. Let's call him the average guy watching Queer Eye. Think's it's funny and entertaining. Makes him think that gay guys have artistic talent. BUT HE STILL FUCKING THINKS THAT GAYS ARE LUSTY BEINGS OF EVIL. Excuse me, he thinks their communities are evil. Which is the same fucking thing. The show did shit. It didn't open up his eyes to the wonderful world of homosexuality.

That is the most nonsensical garbage I've ever read. First, fags love queer eye like they love cock. Second, good job assuming straight people can't enjoy a show without it affecting their judgments of people, but homos will see right through it all! Even if you're not gay, you still suck more metaphorical fag cock than the fab 5 combined.

Agreed, that wasn't my highpoint in clarity. Muddled writing aside, you could at least get the gist of what I was saying. I said some straight people will have their perception of gays changed. They will find them to be a group of people that have artistic talent. Gay's will not have their perception changed. BECAUSE THEY ARE GAY, AND THEY DON'T NEED A TV SHOW TO TELL THEM WHAT THEY ARE! Think about you moron. If they made a show called straight guy for the big fag, would you go, "damn, maybe I'm different than I originally thought."? No, the show wouldnt apply to you. You already know what it's like being straight. They already know what it's like being gay. Also, they already knowwhat straight people are like, becuase they interact with them everyday.

Straight folks interact with gays everyday, and I'm sure they can make their own perception of QUEERS.

No, untrue. The majority of straight men do not interact with gay's everyday, or at least not knowingly. Therefore, the average straight male has a limited perception of homosexuality. All this show is doing is tossing garbage into their head, about how artistic gay men are. In order to get a real idea of what a certain type of person is like, you have to interact with them. Not get made over by them. Not watch a ridiculous television show that just shows the ones that have an artistic vocation. Interaction, not television. Trust me, it's like reality vs. virtual reality. the show can't be a surrogate for a real cultural awakening.

Ooner · #43

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For every macho weight lifting straight, there is a macho weight lifting gay. For every gay flamboyant artist, there is one that's straight, too. Gay's just like the cock. Only difference.

You don't know enough gay people. This may seem like the socially appropriate thing to say, but it's false. On average, gay people are more into fashion and pop culture than straight people, enjoy dance and pop music more than harder rock or alternative, have a greater interest in fashion, design and art. I'm not saying it's not because they're expected to by society, but you're fooling yourself if you think that gay people are all just the same as straight people except for the wanting dick part.

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Excuse me, he thinks their communities are evil. Which is the same fucking thing. The show did shit. It didn't open up his eyes to the wonderful world of homosexuality.

So which is it, does the show make me think things about gay people or does it not affect my perception of them? You suggest both in the same post.

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BECAUSE THEY ARE GAY, AND THEY DON'T NEED A TV SHOW TO TELL THEM WHAT THEY ARE! Think about you moron. If they made a show called straight guy for the big fag, would you go, "damn, maybe I'm different than I originally thought."? No, the show wouldnt apply to you. You already know what it's like being straight. They already know what it's like being gay. Also, they already knowwhat straight people are like, becuase they interact with them everyday.

Um... I wouldn't know what it's like because I'm gay.

But I know what some straight people are like, and I know what some gay people are like, and I know that this show doesn't have any unrealistic or offensive portrayals of gay people. You should really shut up until you know what you're talking about.

Gay people don't need you to defend them, Captain Kneejerk PC.

Fuck off now.

Daphne · #44

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Originally Posted by DrewKatsikas

Perhaps it does matter. By knowing a gay man, I can say with proof that the tv show's portrayl of gay men is just a tad presumptuous.

No, you can't! You said yourself you never watch the show!

Then I pointed out how ironic that it is because you're dismissing it as being prejudice without ever having seen it, and that's really ironic

Look, if you don't like the show then don't fucking watch it. What kills me about whiny people like you, is that the more you bitch and talk about how bad the show is, all you do is bring attention to it and make people curious to see what all the fuss is about.

Married With Children would have been a huge flop and taken off the air in one season if it wasn't for the puritan nag who kept bitching about how filthy and obscene it was, to the point where her cries drew national attention and brought in ton of viewers, and thus Fox was born.

Drew Katsikas · #45

No, you can't! You said yourself you never watch the show!

Yes, but I've had good amounts of the episodes dictated to me by friends, who have formed little social cirlces in order to watch this show. I can see where you're coming from, so I'll stop aguing until whenever the fuck it comes back on.

However, I still think Ooner is ridiculous.

You don't know enough gay people. This may seem like the socially appropriate thing to say, but it's false. On average, gay people are more into fashion and pop culture than straight people, enjoy dance and pop music more than harder rock or alternative, have a greater interest in fashion, design and art. I'm not saying it's not because they're expected to by society, but you're fooling yourself if you think that gay people are all just the same as straight people except for the wanting dick part.

Yes, often gays do enjoy dance and pop and whatnot, but seriosuly, you can't make it a fact. How about that gay guy from Judas Priest. I'm sure there are plenty of other metalheads who are gay as well. Not all gays are Christopher Lowell. My boss was a hardcore punk rocker in the 70's. And that's just music. If you've ever seen two gays as a couple, often you'll notice one is feminine, and one is masculine. Acting as the tough guy. I'm sure I don't know much about it, but I would imagine he is not a designer.

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Excuse me, he thinks their communities are evil. Which is the same fucking thing. The show did shit. It didn't open up his eyes to the wonderful world of homosexuality.

So which is it, does the show make me think things about gay people or does it not affect my perception of them? You suggest both in the same post

You learned something, gay's are artistic and actually do things.

You also remained ignorant, you think gay's are just lust beings.
Therefore, the show's supposed enlightenment failed.

Tell me when the show's on, and perhaps it will be a little bit better than what I've pickd up from friends' discusssions and this message board.

Ooner · #46

Cool, another list of self-contradictions and backtracking!

Nobody ever claimed that all gay people fit the stereotype perfectly, including the show, but the fact is that there are more gay people in the fashion/design fields and the show's gimmick is perfectly valid and not offensive.

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If you've ever seen two gays as a couple, often you'll notice one is feminine, and one is masculine. Acting as the tough guy. I'm sure I don't know much about it, but I would imagine he is not a designer.

That's the first really offensive thing I've seen in this thread, you ignorant fuck. If YOU have ever seen two gays as a couple you'd know you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. Fuck you Fuck you Fuck you. Fucking hypocrite. You are not allowed to talk as if you know gay people, ever again, because you are clearly clueless beyond words. Don't fucking ever defend gay people anymore. Seriously, we don't want you on our side. Just shut the fuck up or be a homophobe because you're not doing a damn bit of good with your stupid misinformed bullshit.

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You learned something, gay's are artistic and actually do things.

You also remained ignorant, you think gay's are just lust beings.
Therefore, the show's supposed enlightenment failed.

I already knew of gay people's tendency to get involved in the arts and fashion-related fields. I never suggested anything about gay people being "just lust beings" so quit putting words in my mouth because you don't have a sound argument. I have my perceptions of both individual straight and gay people, as well as their social groups, which I have formed for myself through my own experience. The show has never pretended to provide any sort of "gays are just like us!" enlightenment for straight people, and it doesn't. It doesn't provide the "gays are all flamers who do hair!" shit either like you claim before even fucking seeing it.

Seriously, you're almost as dangerous as outright gay-bashers because you pretend to know what you're talking about and your COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOCY could come off as credible to impressionable minds.

Go fucking die, asshole.

Drew Katsikas · #47

Flagrant use of the word fuck doesn't help your argument. And as to supposrt myself, I've been to this place called Provincetown. In Cape Cod. Although it may not be inclusive of the whole gay population, there's quite a few of them there. In fact, besides the tourists, the whole place is basically gay. Of course, you send up seeing couples there. It's more than a coincidence that many couples happen to have one really feminie person, and one more maculine one. This occurs more among the lesbians, but still quite often among gays. Although it is not guaranteed to be this way, the fact is there are macho homosexuals. I was only pointing out that they do exist, and I thought expressing the surrogate male female relationship among gays would be a good way to bring it up. Sorry it offends you. It's a fact of life though, one half of a couple is always a bit more masculine than the other. Often much more so.