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Old Nov 20th, 2003, 07:40 PM       
That's what makes this one special.

Along with metaphors that involve a hand.
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Old Nov 20th, 2003, 07:44 PM       
If by 'special' you mean 'handicapped' then I'd agree.
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Old Nov 20th, 2003, 07:50 PM       
Har. Handicapped.
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Old Nov 20th, 2003, 08:44 PM       
Sociology has no applicable paradigm, neither does political theory (political "science" that is), economics does however. There is nothing soft about it. Neither does it embrace Baconian Idols -as sociology clearly does with its assumption of relational power existant in human interaction.

I'd put more faith in Economics than I would either of the above mentioned any day of the week for all the fact I'm a Political Science major.
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Old Nov 20th, 2003, 09:24 PM       
(generalized political group) are so (adjective)! Look at these (plural noun) i found, indicating that (past or current president) is a (verb) (adjective)! (verb)ing (noun)(verb)er!
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Old Nov 21st, 2003, 07:48 AM        on the sociology bashing tangent...
say whatever you want about sociology, but statistcs and probability are part of MATH, which is THE foundation of all "hard" sciences.
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Old Nov 21st, 2003, 08:55 AM       
Define hard science. Because in reality (not inside your computer) math is completely in theory. Meaning there is nothing hard about it. Everything that is truely "hard" is usually estimations.

Math and science are related period. But I really don't know what the hell point you were trying to make. SURE IS FUN TO ARGUE JUST FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUING HUH?
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Old Nov 21st, 2003, 11:04 AM       
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Neither does it embrace Baconian Idols -as sociology clearly does with its assumption of relational power existant in human interaction.
I happen to like bacon, you ass. Leave it out of your damned discussions!
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Old Nov 21st, 2003, 11:33 AM       
Be that as it may Zig, Sociology falls far short of living up to the scientific standard. How can you call sociology a science when there are so many interpretations, some even contradicting one another, yet all alike in that none can accurately be used to predict behavioural patterns or actions of a test subject. At best it is a tool used to rationalize events of the recent past-present.

And Boogie that's Sir Francis Bacon brother, not Farmer John
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Old Nov 21st, 2003, 11:42 AM       
I don't care who invented bacon, it's still delicious.
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Old Nov 21st, 2003, 04:16 PM       
As far as economics is concerned, I meant "soft" as it relates to sociology. For example: Could one truly predict the effects on the airline industry from the effects of the 9/11 trajedy through hard mathematical proofs? I tend to think that sociology and the statistics and/or probabality inherent to it are linked to economics in this instance as well as a multitude of trends involving the stock market. Is sociology necessarily linked to all aspects of economics? I don't see a necessay link in all cases but I believe that there are places where it may be helpful.
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Old Nov 21st, 2003, 04:30 PM       
Ror, there are probably just as many different economic schools of thought as there are sociology. It's just that neoclassical economics have dominated the others for so long.

Too many assume that analysis of statistics and other forms of number crunching are the main factors of economic study. They are not, save perhaps certain neoclassical schools. Economics should be about the application of logic to theory, because, quite frankly, studying economics empirically is rather inefficient as there are so many variables. Yes, certain trends may be noted, but one cannot say something necessarily caused something else because they usually occur at the same time without some logical explanation.

Economics has, in far too many cases, assumed the fully rational man, who makes all business decisions correctly. This is simply not true. There is no general equilibrium - human uncertainty prevents it. No one business has ever actually priced a good at the exact interaction between supply and demand. Pareto optimality is a fool's dream. To assume that value is determined by cost of production is wrong - value is in the eye of the valuer. It is for this reason that the use of overly complex mathematical equations within economics is so flawed; it makes too many minor assumptions, which ruins the system.

Hence, economics is, or at least should be, a soft science, because it must not assume anything about how well people make economic decisions - except, of course, what can be logically assumed. Sociology and economics are infinitely wound around each other.

Read up on what is gaining more attention every day.
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Old Nov 21st, 2003, 04:39 PM       
I agree.


Bacon IS delicious.
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Old Nov 21st, 2003, 07:30 PM       
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Old Nov 22nd, 2003, 12:59 AM       
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Old Nov 22nd, 2003, 05:32 PM       
I hate bacon.

Unless it was cooked.
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Old Nov 22nd, 2003, 05:33 PM       
That's just fucked up.
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Old Nov 22nd, 2003, 06:58 PM       
I like to wrap it around a scallop.



I also like bacon.
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Old Nov 22nd, 2003, 07:46 PM       
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I also like bacon.
SHH! I WANNA TALK ABOUT ECONOMICS!
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Old Nov 22nd, 2003, 09:07 PM       
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Old Nov 22nd, 2003, 09:56 PM       
Have you seen yours lately?

Some sad old man... probably a libertarian economist from Austria.
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Old Nov 22nd, 2003, 10:14 PM       
Maybe one day I'll put a big anarchy sign on his forehead.
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Old Nov 23rd, 2003, 11:52 AM       
Well, how was I to know he was an anarchist.

He should be a sad clown.
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Old Nov 25th, 2003, 02:05 AM       
You know Zhukov, I rather strongly suggest you learn a bit about Rothbard (Mr Murry Rothbard, OaO's avatar). I find him quite lucid and terribly insightful.
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Old Nov 25th, 2003, 11:01 AM       
Well after such a good recomendation how could I not look him up?

He is an 'Austrian' Libertarian - you can't pull the wool over my eyes for long.

Unfortunatly, I started "The End of Socialism and The Calculation Debate revisited" I found the first paragraphs ignorant enough to warrant that I stop.

Silly, I know, but I have an awful lot to read.

Any specific recomendations?
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