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View Poll Results: Which Democratic candidate would you support at this point?
John Kerry 4 36.36%
John Edwards 0 0%
Howard Dean 3 27.27%
Dennis Kucinich 1 9.09%
Joe Lieberman 0 0%
Al Sharpton 3 27.27%
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Old Jun 5th, 2003, 12:05 PM       
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Kevin, let's go over something real quick: Calling someone "stupid" doesn't mean they are stupid. If I called a dog a cat, it doesn't make a cat.
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Now, I'd vote for Joe because he is the least deplorable. The person I would want to see be the canidate would be Al Sharpton. He has done more to expose democrats for being lying, elitist, slave owner type pricks then Rush Limbaugh ever dreamed over.
No doubt Democrats, like MOST in high positions of elected office, can be hypocrites. Certainly Al Sharpton is one to talk (as is El Windbag, for that matter).

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I hope to God that Al gets it. Then you liberals would be exposed for who you really are. You talk and whine and cry and bitch about civil rights and blacks (ESPECIALLY during election time) all the time, and now you would have a chance to vote a black man into the presidency.
Right, we have an addiction to black folk. If Colin Powell, Alan Keyes, or Walt Williams ran for President, we'd all just HAVE to vote for them!

Republicans exploit race just as much as anybody.

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A black guy that is liked (unfortuantly) in many circles. But no, you all would make so many excuses not to vote for him it wouldn't be funny. You wan't to know who the first black president is going to be? The first woman president is going to be? Quote me on this: If Condi Rice wants to run in '08, she would win. If the Hildabeast ran in '08 against her, Condi would make Clinton her bitch.
Why would "Condi" win, Vince? Would you vote for her? Furthermore, what vast experience does she have to run??? Two terms as sec. of the interior? Aren't there more qualified candidates? What would compel YOU to vote for her, and more importantly, what would compel the Republican Party to support her? Could it be that running a BLACK WOMAN would be a dream for a Party that's trying to exploit the black vote, which traditionally swings Democrat...? Don't Republicans focus on "people" rather than "groups"....?

Come on....speak monkey, speak.....stick your foot in your mouth, but first, pull it out of your ass, ok?

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All of these homoerotic tensions, Vince. So much trapped lust and desire. I'm sorry Vince, I don't know that we could ever be a couple. I'd be too worried that you'd take pictures and post them on your porno website for all the world to see. I wouldn't want to tarnish your good Christian reputation.
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Old Jun 5th, 2003, 12:11 PM       
Kevin. Your. Lips. My. Dick. PRONTO.
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Old Jun 5th, 2003, 12:16 PM       
Fuck, its the first presiential election i will get to vote in and i have no one to vote for I pray every night the dubya will lose, but going of the people i know i don't see that happening. we can only hope he does a repeat of what his father did.
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Old Jun 5th, 2003, 12:20 PM       
Maybe by that time you will read books and realize that you should be voting for someone who wants less government control. Because voting for any of those bozos insures that there will be more, moreso then what the current administration is making now.
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Old Jun 5th, 2003, 12:38 PM       
Vince. Might. Be. Surprised. To. Know. That. Not. All. Of. The. Best. Political. And. Economic. Thinkers. Throughout. History. Have. Shared. His. Narrow. Perspective. On. Reality. But. That's. OK. Because. All. Of. These. "Books". That. Vince. Talks. About. Probably. Aren't. What. He. Has. Read. But. Rather. What. His. Homoerotic. Fantasies. Like. Neil. Boortz. And. Rush. Limbaugh. Have. Read.

It's. Like. The. Old. Saying. Goes. "If. You're. Below. Thirty. And. Are. A. Conservative. You. Have. No. Heart. But. If. You're. Below. Thirty. And. Retarded. You're. Probably. Vince. Zeb. Or. Something. Like. That.

Any. Response. To. My. Above. Points. Vince. Or. Just. More. Porno. And. Fantasy.?.?.?.?.
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It's. Like. The. Old. Saying. Goes. "If. You're. Below. Thirty. And. Are. A. Conservative. You. Have. No. Heart. But. If. You're. Below. Thirty. And. Retarded. You're. Probably. Vince. Zeb. Or. Something. Like. That.
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Old Jun 5th, 2003, 01:00 PM       
Kevin, I challenge you to show me where my views are "retarded". Now, you can't use emotional arguments when it comes to reality. I want the FACTS that my views are wrong or "retared" as you put it.


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Old Jun 5th, 2003, 01:00 PM       
Go for it.

EDIT: Above response intended for the Voice of Reason, Not the Voice of Neil Boortz.

By definition:

re·tard1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-t?d)
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To cause to move or proceed slowly; delay or impede.

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I would say your posts generally classify as an impediment to this board, wouldn't you agree?
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Old Jun 5th, 2003, 01:02 PM       
So. More porno and fantasty it is, then.
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Old Jun 5th, 2003, 01:06 PM       
There is no fantasy or porno to my statement. I want him to prove something. Let's see him do so.
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Old Jun 5th, 2003, 01:09 PM       
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There is no fantasy or porno to my statement. I want him to prove something. Let's see him do so.
Scroll up, clambake.
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Old Jun 5th, 2003, 01:13 PM       
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Old Jun 5th, 2003, 01:22 PM       
It seems that Vince ruins every good thread by talking about his penis and what he can do with it. Are we having some inadequacy issues, Vince???

If that isn't "retarding" to a thread, I don't know what else is.
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Old Jun 6th, 2003, 10:01 AM       
My goodness, Vinth, but it was easy to wind you back up into full Vinth mode! All I had to do was imply you were failing to be a huge prick and you come roaring back full strength! Oh, well, easy is as easy does.

"If I called a dog a cat, it doesn't make a cat."
-Vinth.

If you call a dog a cat, it makes you stupid. That's how we know you're stupid, because the bulk of what you say boils down to calling a dog a cat. Generally followed by "Oh, yeah, like a Dog ISN'T a cat. Wlk up to a hundred people and ask them if a Dog is a Dog or a cat nd mostly the studiers of animals who are agreeable to myself will tell you what I'm write about in saying a Dog is a cat. Now here's a cloth for the wipping of my gallons oand gallons of sperm from my huge dick that I put on your face by the cumming from me onto you which I write about often but is not becuase of the gayness of me just that I can't think of anything except by the terms of victory and to me victiry mean to come on another person which is only stupid if you think a Dog is a Dog when any man wth a dick who comes on people knows a dog is a cat at hand bar none. Simple as that. Grrrrrr. Woof! Woof! Meow!"
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You forgot to put "In Summer School" underneath that medal.
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You forgot to put 'Canadian from Canada' at the end of your sentence.
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Yes, Vinth. I took two summer courses to get a head start on next year.

In summer school, and proud of it.
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Old Jun 6th, 2003, 01:15 PM       
So anyway, back to the topic at hand.....

http://www.opensecrets.org/pressreleases/PresFR1Q3.asp

The Center for Responsive Politics has put together the data on the largest contributors thus far to ALL of the candidates for President.

It also has a chart outlining which donors have already given to 3 or more of the running candidates.

Interestingly enough, the top contributor thus far to the Dean campaign has been AOL Time-Warner. Anybody know his feelings on the recent FCC ruling....?
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Old Jun 9th, 2003, 01:22 PM       
Published on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 by Arianna Huffington

Democrats: Profiles In Spinelessness
by Arianna Huffington

"I a little bit disagree with Chairman Roberts on that."

That was Sen. Jay Rockefeller, the senior Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, kinda, sorta, uh, not really taking exception to Committee chairman Pat Roberts' assertion that we've turned the corner when it comes to keeping the peace in postwar Iraq.

But it could just as easily serve as the motto for the whole Democratic Party: "Vote for us -- we kinda, sorta disagree." The Party leaders are so timid, spineless, and lacking in confidence that to compare them to jellyfish would be an insult to invertebrates.

Call them the pusillanimous opposition.

These dithering poltroons are so paralyzed by the fear of doing or saying something that could be turned against them in GOP attack ads they've rendered themselves utterly impotent when it comes to mounting any kind of challenge to President Bush on the two most important issues of the day: tax cuts and Iraq.

Exhibit A comes from Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle who, when asked on Meet the Press why the Democrats didn't offer a bold, full-throated alternative to the Bush tax cut plan, including the repeal of the 2001 cuts and a guaranteed balanced budget, timorously explained: "Well, we -- you got to take it one step at a time."

You do -- why? Is this an AA meeting? Bush doesn't take it one step at a time. He's comfortable leading by leaps and bounds. And he's taking us along with him -- straight over a cliff. We're facing a trillion dollars of new debt, incurred by a president with the worst economic record since Herbert Hoover, and the best the leader of the opposition party can muster is a meaningless cliche? Quick, get that man a dose of political Viagra! At least get the blood flowing?somewhere.

Daschle's trumpet issued an equally uncertain call when it came to the war on Iraq. First, he helped draft the Senate's resolution on the use of force. Then, after sticking his finger in the political wind and catching a zephyr of anti-war sentiment, he blasted the president for failing "so miserably at diplomacy that we're now forced to war." When that comment, made the day before the war started, unleashed a torrent of criticism from ever-vigilant Republican attack dogs, Daschle, instead of simply attacking back, hemmed, hawed, and executed another political pirouette, claiming that he "probably would have avoided making the statement" if he'd known we were on the brink of war.

But a quick check of the record reveals this to be an utterly disingenuous dodge: word of the impending invasion was all over the media when Daschle opened fire on Bush. Maybe the Senator's TV -- and his staff -- was on the fritz that day.

It is precisely this kind of craven vacillation that has made possible the triumph of the fanatics in the White House. Democrats are wringing their hands over the "tactical genius" of Karl Rove, and the "brilliant political stagecraft" of his TV experts who always present the president in the best light. Such is the Democrats' fragility that the mere smoke and mirrors of posing the president in profile at Mount Rushmore or asking the people standing behind him during a recent speech on the economy to take off their ties so they would look more like average Joes have them quaking in their boots.

But the DNC's Terry McAuliffe needs to stop worrying about the GOP using footage of Bush's Top Gun landing on the Abraham Lincoln in campaign ads and start worrying about finding a presidential candidate who isn't afraid to take audacious and decisive stands on the party's core issues. If they can't compete on style, they should at least give it a shot on substance.

After all, the problem isn't that Democrats are on the wrong side of the issues. It's that they are afraid to make an issue of being on the right side -- not to mention smack dab in the middle of the American mainstream.

For example, only one out of four Americans believe the latest round of tax cuts will significantly reduce their taxes, and just 29 percent think the cuts are the best way to help stimulate the economy. Yet Democrats seem congenitally incapable of challenging a president whose entire domestic agenda consists of more and more tax cuts for the wealthy.

The numbers also favor the Democrats on the foreign policy front. According to the latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, 57 percent of Americans are opposed to investing the time and money needed to rebuild Iraq. But the Democrats sit idly by, their thumbs otherwise engaged, while the administration's Iraqi tar baby grows stickier by the day.

And on and on it goes: On protecting the environment, safeguarding Social Security, greater access to affordable health care, gun control and abortion, the majority of the American people are with the Democrats.

Which makes their inability to offer an alternative to the White House juggernaut all the more nauseating. And disgraceful. And tragic.

If this sorry state of affairs is going to change, the Democrats are going to have to jettison their reliance on the consultants who botched the 2002 midterm elections by advising Party leaders to avoid taking on the president on tax cuts and Iraq and, instead, offer an unambiguous alternative to Bush's well-crafted image as a straight-shooting man of conviction. It's time for the Democrats to give up their broken play-it-safe politics and risk offending a few vocal members of a radical minority.

They seem to have forgotten the old sports adage that sometimes the best defense is a good offense. Well, here's a scoreboard update for Messrs. Daschle and McAuliffe, and the rest of the party leadership: you're down by three touchdowns and the electoral clock is starting to run down. It's time to stop taking things "one step at a time" and start throwing deep.

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Old Jun 13th, 2003, 02:30 PM       
Your Vegan Holistic President
Sure an odd, spiritual guy like Dennis Kucinich doesn't have a chance in hell. But it sure is nice to dream

By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist
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And then the new 2004 president had the gall, the unutterable nerve, to actually set up an official Department of Peace to promote, you know, nonviolence and human rights. That big jerk.

And then he repealed the snide and vicious USA Patriot Act, and promoted legit environmental causes and sustainability and actually tightened EPA restrictions and strengthened the Clean Air Act, gasp oh my God what the hell is he thinking.

And then it was revealed that, oh dear God what anti-American blasphemy, he eats no meat or dairy, and prefers organic and kosher foods and actually cares about issues of personal holistic health and therefore isn't a smirking well-funded crony of the toxic beef industry or big agribiz, and hence the bloated lobbyists from those groups are no longer swimming in favoritism and payola and what the hell is the world coming to.

And furthermore, he isn't particularly vehemently religious, not in the normal sense anyway, not Christian or strictly Catholic or Baptist or whatever Bush claims to be, Born-Again Failed-CEO Warmonger, I believe.

And in fact he's actually a rather unique amalgam, a loosely observant Roman Catholic who observes kashruth due to the influence of his longtime Jewish girlfriend, and yet who also supports alternative beliefs, has practicing Muslims on his staff, supports spiritual exploration, knows Shirley Maclaine personally, gives his own personal money to alternative spirituality research. What the hell? This cannot be.


And that damn hippie liberal, he actually wants to legalize medical marijuana, and he supports the rights of the poor and the working class, and more protections for the oceans, and universal health care and a reduction in military spending, and actually wants to change the world's opinion of the U.S. as this despised unipolar rogue into a more cooperative powerhouse role-model peacemaker. Oh dear. That does it. We're gonna be invaded by China any day now, for certain.

Let us imagine, just for a moment, just because it's entirely implausible and because it feels so utterly odd, that such a leadership, such an open and distinctive viewpoint, actually ran this nation.

Let us imagine the horror. Imagine the savage blow to the all-American mega-machismo, to the hardcore GOP hawks and the freerepublic.com psychopatriots and the Christian Bible gropers and the stunned CEOs, the insult to the giant angry fist of self-righteousness America now represents were someone like, say, Dennis Kucinich, the humble long-shot progressive Democratic congressman candidate from Ohio -- the one who represents all those viewpoints listed above -- to actually became president.

Is it really all that radical? Is it really all that extreme to try and imagine a truly connected national leadership that promotes international cooperation and spiritual openness and the sacredness of the environment and a genuinely holistic worldview, one who actually attempts to connect with and listen to its populace?

Why does this seem so far off, so utterly impossible? Have we gone so far down the road of BushCo-style isolationism and dread and knives-out bile that we can't even entertain a serious alternative, the notion that we actually could, as a country, stand for something as radical as peace?


Are we so deeply and repressively beaten down with war and terror and fake Orange Alerts and the idea that we absolutely positively must, no matter what, have a cold and corporatized iron-fisted leadership hell-bent on expanding American empire at all costs, that we can't even conceive of a sincere and pacifistic alternative?

Apparently, we are. That far gone. That far removed from what this nation actually stands for, stood for. At least for the moment. The tyranny of fear is in control. We are so absolutely goddamn certain we are facing a brutal and heartless world that wishes us perpetual violent ill that we simply must have an equally heartless and guns-drawn pseudo-fascist leadership to match it.

This is, quite simply, utter bull. We have chosen our own path. We have actively elected to become the strong-arm rogue superpower. We have created our own warmongering circumstance far, far more than it has been imposed on us.

Get this. According to his Web site, Dennis Kucinich's proposed Cabinet-level peace appointee would seek to not merely make nonviolence an organizing principle of society but actually strive to make war archaic, to "endeavor to promote justice and democratic principles to expand human rights ... and develop new structures in nonviolent dispute resolution." Man. What a heretic.

Is Kucinich the ideal candidate? I have no idea. He is merely one of the most interesting, indeed a longshot and probably flawed and it's true that he just recently flip-flopped on abortion rights, and is maybe just a bit overly pro-labor, and who knows what else, and he could be trouble for the Demos in terms of shaking up the unified message the party so desperately needs right now.

But let's just use him as our example. Let's use his unique candidacy as a mirror to reflect how far we have careened down the path of indignation and megalomania and the idea that we, as a nation, are somehow locked into this warmongering, hateful mode, this hostile role as schoolyard bully of the world.

How shockingly naive it seems, how utterly childish to think we could have a president who actually promotes peace and empowers the U.N. and works toward interconnectedness, and in this day and age. Don't you know the world is at our throat? Don't you know it's all eye-for-an-eye and dog-eat-dog and only the strong survive and kill 'em all before they come and eat our innocent babies?

Yeah right. How very sad. No one seems to remember. No one truly recalls the overwhelming sentiment just after 9/11, a stunned and saddened nation rethinking its core values, a deeply historic opportunity for a radical reshaping of America's world position and policy, our intentions, our national agenda.

We could've chosen a Kucinich-style path. We could've easily chosen peace and cooperation and humanity and communication. BushCo chose the exact opposite.

And now, here we are. Globally disrespected, almost universally feared and loathed and resented, our economy hammered, the vicious GOP war machine cranking on all cylinders, openly lying about the justifications for war, huge numbers of misguided citizens truly believing 9/11 is a valid excuse to annihilate Iraq and slaughter thousands, maybe Syria and North Korea and Libya and Lebanon and who knows who else, next.

And Kucinich's Department of Peace? Ha. What a joke. What a sad, far-fetched, disheartening, impossible joke.


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I liked both those articles a lot.

Arianna Huffington. Whoda thunk it? Must have been all that time in bed with Al Franken.
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Old Jun 15th, 2003, 01:46 PM       
This silly policy with the Federal Matching Funds is precisely why no Democrat has a shot against Bush to begin with. Kerry may be the only option now, since he is debating whether to take it. However, this then poses a platform flaw. How can a Democrat, who probably supported the McCain-Feingold legislation, and thus probably VOTED for the "bi-partisan" legislation, ethically NOT accept the matching funds....?

Oh, and this is great:

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

Bush Set to Start 2004 Fund-Raising

By SHARON THEIMER
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Saturday, June 14, 2003; 12:28 PM


WASHINGTON - President Bush begins raising money in earnest this week for his 2004 re-election effort with a two-week, cross-country sprint expected to take in millions of dollars.

First lady Laura Bush and the president's 2004 running mate, Vice President Dick Cheney, also will hit the fund-raising circuit.

In all, the president is expected to raise $200 million or more for his primary campaign over the next several months, at least twice the record $100 million he collected for the 2000 primaries.

The Republican will be helped by a doubling of the individual contribution limit to $2,000 in the new campaign finance law, effective with the 2003-04 election cycle.

Helping Bush are fund-raising volunteers, including the "Pioneers" who played a key role in 2000 by raising at least $100,000 each. A new class of fund-raisers, known as the "Rangers," will collect at least $200,000 each for Bush's campaign.

Bush entered the race last month. He immediately began raising money on his campaign Web site and through the mail.

He plans his first fund-raiser Tuesday in Washington, a $2,000-per-person reception at the Washington Hilton where donors will get hamburgers, hot dogs and nachos.

Bush will follow it up with a series of $2,000-per-person events across the country, including Friday in Greensboro, Ga.; June 23 in New York; June 27 in suburban San Francisco and Los Angeles; and June 30 in Miami and Tampa, Fla.

The two California events alone are expected to take in about $6 million. That would be only about $1 million less than the top two first-quarter Democratic fund-raisers, Sens. John Edwards of North Carolina and John Kerry of Massachusetts, took in for their campaigns from January through March, the most recent figures available.

Cheney will headline campaign events this month, including fund-raisers June 23 in Richmond, Va., and the Boston area and June 30 in Ohio and Grand Rapids, Mich.

Laura Bush is to attend Bush-Cheney fund-raisers Friday in Chattanooga, Tenn., and June 25 in Philadelphia and Cincinnati.

Bush campaign spokeswoman Nicolle Devenish declined to release early fund-raising figures. The president and the nine Democratic presidential hopefuls will report contribution totals to the Federal Election Commission in mid-July.

Bush started his 2000 fund-raising effort in March 1999, holding nearly 30 events and raising $37 million by July 1999.

As he did in that race, Bush is skipping taxpayer-financed public funding for his primary campaign, along with the spending limits that accompany it. That means his primary campaign can spend as much as Bush can collect.

Nearly all the Democratic hopefuls have committed to taking public financing for the primaries. Kerry plans to decide this fall whether to accept it or not.


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