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Old Aug 19th, 2003, 04:00 PM        PATRIOTISM ON THE CHEAP: AN ARMY TIMES.COM EDITORIAL
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In recent months, President Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress have missed no opportunity to heap richly deserved praise on the military. But talk is cheap — and getting cheaper by the day, judging from the nickel-and-dime treatment the troops are getting lately.

For example, the White House griped that various pay-and-benefits incentives added to the 2004 defense budget by Congress are wasteful and unnecessary — including a modest proposal to double the $6,000 gratuity paid to families of troops who die on active duty. This comes at a time when Americans continue to die in Iraq at a rate of about one a day.

Similarly, the administration announced that on Oct. 1 it wants to roll back recent modest increases in monthly imminent-danger pay (from $225 to $150) and family-separation allowance (from $250 to $100) for troops getting shot at in combat zones.

Then there’s military tax relief — or the lack thereof. As Bush and Republican leaders in Congress preach the mantra of tax cuts, they can’t seem to find time to make progress on minor tax provisions that would be a boon to military homeowners, reservists who travel long distances for training and parents deployed to combat zones, among others.

Incredibly, one of those tax provisions — easing residency rules for service members to qualify for capital-gains exemptions when selling a home — has been a homeless orphan in the corridors of power for more than five years now.

The chintz even extends to basic pay. While Bush’s proposed 2004 defense budget would continue higher targeted raises for some ranks, he also proposed capping raises for E-1s, E-2s and O-1s at 2 percent, well below the average raise of 4.1 percent.

The Senate version of the defense bill rejects that idea, and would provide minimum 3.7 percent raises for all and higher targeted hikes for some. But the House version of the bill goes along with Bush, making this an issue still to be hashed out in upcoming negotiations.

All of which brings us to the latest indignity — Bush’s $9.2 billion military construction request for 2004, which was set a full $1.5 billion below this year’s budget on the expectation that Congress, as has become tradition in recent years, would add funding as it drafted the construction appropriations bill.

But Bush’s tax cuts have left little elbow room in the 2004 federal budget that is taking shape, and the squeeze is on across the board.

The result: Not only has the House Appropriations military construction panel accepted Bush’s proposed $1.5 billion cut, it voted to reduce construction spending by an additional $41 million next year.

Rep. David Obey, D-Wis., senior Democrat on the House Appropriations Committee, took a stab at restoring $1 billion of the $1.5 billion cut in Bush’s construction budget. He proposed to cover that cost by trimming recent tax cuts for the roughly 200,000 Americans who earn more than $1 million a year. Instead of a tax break of $88,300, they would receive $83,500.

The Republican majority on the construction appropriations panel quickly shot Obey down. And so the outlook for making progress next year in tackling the huge backlog of work that needs to be done on crumbling military housing and other facilities is bleak at best.

Taken piecemeal, all these corner-cutting moves might be viewed as mere flesh wounds. But even flesh wounds are fatal if you suffer enough of them. It adds up to a troubling pattern that eventually will hurt morale — especially if the current breakneck operations tempo also rolls on unchecked and the tense situations in Iraq and Afghanistan do not ease.

Rep. Chet Edwards, D-Texas, who notes that the House passed a resolution in March pledging “unequivocal support” to service members and their families, puts it this way: “American military men and women don’t deserve to be saluted with our words and insulted by our actions.”

Translation: Money talks — and we all know what walks.
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Old Aug 19th, 2003, 10:36 PM        Yeah
It's been a while since I've posted so I'm a little rusty.

Anyway, while this was posted as an editorial, it of course can't officially speak for the Army folks. However, my own personal feeling is that this is the sentiment of many, not just in the Army, but DoD wide. I live in a Navy/Marine town and work closely with Army folks as well. Having at least some exposure to people from all four branches, I think the issues being raised here are issues that many within the DoD feel.

It marks a drastic shift in military politics which has always been heavily conservative Republican dominated. I'm not sure it necessarily indicates that military folks are ready to jump ship and head for the Democrats. But it sure seems like many aren't too happy with Dubya and military folks are dying to be courted by someone who appears to give a shit.

I think you'll find that most people in the military don't mind making the sacrifices they make with two stipulations. First, that the cause is valid. No one wants to die for nothing. Even if it's an idealistic cause, military folks like to believe that they are fighting for something that matters. Second, no one in the military expects to get rich, but they certainly expect to live like decent human beings. All they ask in return for their willingness to leave their loved ones, endure hardships, and risk their lives is to have some economic stability and comfort for their families.

The current administration seems more and more to be slapping the faces of the very people they are so constantly heaping praise upon.
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Old Aug 19th, 2003, 10:44 PM       
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The current administration seems more and more to be slapping the faces of the very people they are so constantly heaping praise upon.
Well of course! They're going to pay the soldiers with medals and name them true patriots and give each one a pat on the bum.
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Old Aug 20th, 2003, 01:48 AM        Well...
Most won't even get that. Because recent conflicts have involved the increased use of special forces, medals are not frequently doled out not publicized do to the sensitive nature of the missions. Soldiers in the spotlight like Jessica Lynch may, but the "snakeeaters" who've been on the ground working special ops missions, that is, the ones with the highest mortality rates, often don't even get public recognition for the work they do.

Which is fine by them because those types of folks don't do it for the publicity or the pat on the back. But still, these guys go over there and hang their asses out on a daily basis only to get a hearty fuck you from the fine folks back here at home. It's tough.

It doesn't seem prudent to ostrasize the group you plan on relying so heavily on to carry out your foreign policy objectives.
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Old Aug 20th, 2003, 12:12 PM       
if you jump ship.. PLEASE look at something other than the democrats! we need solid third parties in this country.

fucking chickenhawks could care less about the folks in uniform .. besides the lipservice they give.. i just can't see anything but lies when the bush administration opens its mouth.

add to the cuts the Veterans Administration losing 2 to 4 BILLION in funding over the next decade if bush gets his way.

as the VA has stated they are Already underfunded and unable to take care of all disabled vets Damn!

www.votetoimpeach.org !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old Aug 21st, 2003, 09:03 AM       
We should increase the money to the military.

BUT, to increase the money, we either 1) collect more taxes or 2) get rid of useless social programs

I chose 2.
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Old Aug 21st, 2003, 09:26 AM       
Your problem is a lack of imagination. There are plenty of ways to pay the military what they deserve instead of treating them like a cross between campaign bumper stickers and cannon fodder.

How about 3, we scrap early deployment of star wars? or 4, make companies with offshore po boxes listed as corporate headquarters pay taxes? Or 5, make the president pay for his own bogus psuedo militray photo opps? Or 6, give oil contracts in Iraq to the lowest feasible bid instead of directly awarding them to Haliburton? Or 7, have the justice department actually persue financial restitution for the massive damage done to the economy by Enron and Worldcom? Or 8, make incumbents pay for transportation out of their campaign funds when they go to, say California to fundraise instead of billing it directly to the taxpayer? Or 8, make corporations pay their kickbacks for legislation written by paid lobbyists into military compensation packages instead of campaign coffers? Or 9, make lobbyists who got there jobs strictly due to blood relationships with and access to highly placed administration offcials join an 'adopt a soldier' program? Or 10, pith useless mooks like you with a knitting needle and give your organs free of charge to Military hospitals?
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Old Aug 21st, 2003, 10:15 AM       
yeehaah burb nice suggestions!

there's lots more but i dont want to soil this with my ideas that are more legal than yer idea #10 but less palatable with respect to how americans view this country :/
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Old Aug 22nd, 2003, 09:56 AM       
Oh, I thought of another great way for our seriously cash strapped government to save up enough so they don't have to cut endangerment pay to our soldiers!

11.) Don't hire convicted felons like Poindexter, utterly throwing away a salary on a proven liar and idiot, don't alllow those poeple to throw away the salaries of their entire staffs by engaging them in lunatic science fiction projcts, don't fund those projects to the tune of millions of dollars since any schoolchild would know you'd have to shut them down the moment the public got wind of them, making the whole excercise a lot like dumping bags of cash into a shredder!
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