Fucking Mormons.

[Perndog]

He means that if any of these things happened again, we would believe them, while the same is not true for Buddhism. If God flooded the earth tomorrow and picked another Noah, or if some dude who was executed rose from the dead, people would notice and start believing, while if some guy went up a tree for a while and then started telling people he was enlightened and they should listen to him, they'd think he was full of shit.

The problem being, an awful lot of people saw Jesus die and a lot probably saw his empty tomb (though why they would put an insignificant rabble-rouser in a tomb of his own is beyond me), but no one was converted immediately, and the Egyptians weren't Jewish, even though they would have been around shortly after the flood...

Originally Posted by Vibecrewangel

Pern.....if I remember correctly when you first showed up I mentioned it was nice to see someone who followed the original teachings as oppsed to the screwed up version that most people associate wth the church.

I'm confused by this..do you think I'm a Christian?

[kellychaos]

Originally Posted by VinceZeb

You can live the good new-age magic crystal life all you want and be the best guy on the planet.

I think that "being the best guy on the planet" ( i.e. having compassion, being charitable, ect.) is what an all-knowing God (whatever form he takes) wants for all mankind no matter how they get there.

Originally Posted by VinceZeb

If you don't believe in God and reject Him, you go to Hell. It is pretty much that simple.

If God is as vindictive as all that, I think that I'll pass on the God thing. I'm so glad there's not a Vinth gospel in the Bible. I'm all about the new improved testament. Jesus

[mburbank]

It is no surprise that a vendictive, spiteful man believes God is vendictive and spiteful.

[VinceZeb]

Kelly, reject God all you want. When you go to Hell, you will know better. Rejecting God doesn't make Him not exist, you fucking dope. But go on living like you do, and I hope you like darkness and dispair.

[kellychaos]

From under the bridge, he once again makes an appearance.

BTW, Vinth. I'm not rejecting the idea that there may be a Supreme Being, just YOUR version of him/her.

[mburbank]

Vinth, ignore God's teachings all you want. When you go to Hell, you will know better. Ignoring God's will doesn't make it not exist, you fucking dope. But go on living like you do, and I hope you like darkness and dispair.

Parrticularly dispair. Datpair too. and Dat one over dere.

[Vibecrewangel]

I'm confused by this..do you think I'm a Christian?

::giggle::
Nope.

Weren't you the one I had the discussion with about the actual teachings of LaVey vs what the church has become?
If not...well...the search function would have reminded me....

[Vibecrewangel]

Vince - You call Buddhism a philosophy yet you use your standard for religion to prove it. Which is it? A Religion or a philosophy?

[VinceZeb]

I call it a philosophy but I have to use the standards of religion because it is considered a religion. My own personal belief leads me to believe that it is a philosophy.

[Vibecrewangel]

I've never seen it referred to as a religion by anyone who actually practices or understands it.

Where have you learned that it is considered a religion?

[Perndog]

Originally Posted by Vibecrewangel

Weren't you the one I had the discussion with about the actual teachings of LaVey vs what the church has become?
If not...well...the search function would have reminded me....

I don't think that was me...DecapitatedHate maybe? I wish I could have been in on that discussion, I might have had something to add...

And Buddhism is considered a religion because it has specific teachings, it makes statements about the metaphysical and gives an answer to what happens after you die. At least, that's my definition of a religion.

[mburbank]

Hey, Vinthy, what else do your beliefs lead you to believe?

My beliefs lead me to believe believing in the belief of various beliefs and belief systems but that's just what I believe about my beliefs.

[Vibecrewangel]

Pern - It was fairly short lived conversation. Once we realized we were on a similar page it sort of fizzled out. Not too many other participants.

Funny how many different definitions of the word religion there are. For me, a religion has a strict set of rules to adhere to. It also tells you "the way it is". There is no room for any other form of thought.
A philosophy has guidelines for you to follow, but is more about teaching you how think. How to open ou mind. In the case of Buddhism you have the observer effect and how perception is reality. These would never fit into a religion as they leave too much room for the individual to come to their own conclusions.
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[Jeanette X]

Originally Posted by Perndog

*ahem*...I don't read the same bible you do....

Its pretty clear in all translations:
Matthew 10:35 - For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Did you sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor?

[mburbank]

You're confused. See the LITERALY true part of the bible is that Jesus existed, was the Messiah and if you don't believe that you go to hell forever when you die.

The things Jesus said are just metaphors. When he asks "Did you sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor?" what he MEANS is, "If you don't believe I'm the Messiah and accept me as your savior you go to hell forever when you die."

[Vibecrewangel]

Jeannette -

He doesn't follow ANY version of the Christian bible.

At least that is my guess.....

[Vibecrewangel]

In a way Buddhism is the Libertarian of the spiritual belief systems.

[mburbank]

You know he claims to have studied for the Priesthood.

My guess is he did his studying on a submarine.

Or thinks that going to catholic school is the same as studying for the preisthood on a Submarine.

[Zhukov]

Originally Posted by mburbank

You know he claims to have studied for the Priesthood.

Just like Stalin

[mburbank]

William Shatner was a rabinical school drop out.

[Vibecrewangel]

I now have the urge to re-write the song Beauty School Drop out from Grease.......

[Jeanette X]

Originally Posted by Perndog

Pay attention, Chimp.

So Pern, what Bible do you read anyway? Now I'm curious.

[Supafly345]

Originally Posted by VinceZeb

Kelly, reject God all you want. When you go to Hell, you will know better. Rejecting God doesn't make Him not exist, you fucking dope. But go on living like you do, and I hope you like darkness and dispair.

Please dude. Just stop talking. You are making my religeon look bad by making people think that those who practice it are complete fucking morons.

[Perndog]

Psst...look at my avatar.

[Jeanette X]

Oh well that's different. Nevermind. :Gilda Radner