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Old Apr 8th, 2006, 11:44 AM        The Gospel of Judas
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April 6, 2006

'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years
By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD and LAURIE GOODSTEIN

An early Christian manuscript, including the only known text of what is known as the Gospel of Judas, has surfaced after 1,700 years. The text gives new insights into the relationship of Jesus and the disciple who betrayed him, scholars reported today. In this version, Jesus asked Judas, as a close friend, to sell him out to the authorities, telling Judas he will "exceed" the other disciples by doing so.

Though some theologians have hypothesized this, scholars who have studied the new-found text said, this is the first time an ancient document defends the idea.

The discovery in the desert of Egypt of the leather-bound papyrus manuscript, and now its translation, was announced by the National Geographic Society at a news conference in Washington. The 26-page Judas text is said to be a copy in Coptic, made around A. D. 300, of the original Gospel of Judas, written in Greek the century before.

Terry Garcia, an executive vice president of the geographic society, said the manuscript, or codex, is considered by scholars and scientists to be the most significant ancient, nonbiblical text to be found in the past 60 years.

"The codex has been authenticated as a genuine work of ancient Christian apocryphal literature," Mr. Garcia said, citing extensive tests of radiocarbon dating, ink analysis and multispectral imaging and studies of the script and linguistic style. The ink, for example, was consistent with ink of that era, and there was no evidence of multiple rewriting.

"This is absolutely typical of ancient Coptic manuscripts," said Stephen Emmel, professor of Coptic studies at the University of Munster in Germany. "I am completely convinced."

The most revealing passages in the Judas manuscript begins, "The secret account of the revelation that Jesus spoke in conversation with Judas Iscariot during a week, three days before he celebrated Passover."

The account goes on to relate that Jesus refers to the other disciples, telling Judas "you will exceed all of them. For you will sacrifice the man that clothes me." By that, scholars familiar with Gnostic thinking said, Jesus meant that by helping him get rid of his physical flesh, Judas will act to liberate the true spiritual self or divine being within Jesus.

Unlike the accounts in the New Testament Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, the anonymous author of the Gospel of Judas believed that Judas Iscariot alone among the 12 disciples understood the meaning of Jesus' teachings and acceded to his will. In the diversity of early Christian thought, a group known as Gnostics believed in a secret knowledge of how people could escape the prisons of their material bodies and return to the spiritual realm from which they came.

Elaine Pagels, a professor of religion at Princeton who specializes in studies of the Gnostics, said in a statement, "These discoveries are exploding the myth of a monolithic religion, and demonstrating how diverse — and fascinating — the early Christian movement really was."

The Gospel of Judas is only one of many texts discovered in the last 65 years, including the gospels of Thomas, Mary Magdalene and Philip, believed to be written by Gnostics.

The Gnostics' beliefs were often viewed by bishops and early church leaders as unorthodox, and they were frequently denounced as heretics. The discoveries of Gnostic texts have shaken up Biblical scholarship by revealing the diversity of beliefs and practices among early followers of Jesus.

As the findings have trickled down to churches and universities, they have produced a new generation of Christians who now regard the Bible not as the literal word of God, but as a product of historical and political forces that determined which texts should be included in the canon, and which edited out.

For that reason, the discoveries have proved deeply troubling for many believers. The Gospel of Judas portrays Judas Iscariot not as a betrayer of Jesus, but as his most favored disciple and willing collaborator.

Scholars say that they have long been on the lookout for the Gospel of Judas because of a reference to what was probably an early version of it in a text called Against Heresies, written by Irenaeus, the bishop of Lyons, about the year 180.

Irenaeus was a hunter of heretics, and no friend of the Gnostics. He wrote, "They produce a fictitious history of this kind, which they style the Gospel of Judas."

Karen L. King, a professor of the history of early Christianity at Harvard Divinity School, and an expert in Gnosticism who has not yet read the manuscript released today, said that the Gospel of Judas may well reflect the kinds of debates that arose in the second and third century among Christians.

"You can see how early Christians could say, if Jesus's death was all part of God's plan, then Judas's betrayal was part of God's plan," said Ms. King, the author of several books on Gnostic texts. "So what does that make Judas? Is he the betrayer, or the facilitator of salvation, the guy who makes the crucifixion possible?"

At least one scholar said the new manuscript does not contain anything dramatic that would change or undermine traditional understanding of the Bible. James M. Robinson, a retired professor of Coptic studies at Claremont Graduate University, was the general editor of the English edition of the Nag Hammadi library, a collection of Gnostic documents discovered in Egypt in 1945.

"Correctly understood, there's nothing undermining about the Gospel of Judas," Mr. Robinson said in a telephone interview. He said that the New Testament gospels of John and Mark both contain passages that suggest that Jesus not only picked Judas to betray him, but actually encouraged Judas to hand him over to those he knew would crucify him.

Mr. Robinson's book, "The Secrets of Judas: The Story of the Misunderstood Disciple and his Lost Gospel" (Harper San Francisco, April 2006), predicts the contents of the Gospel of Judas based on his knowledge of Gnostic and Coptic texts, even though he was not part of the team of researchers working on the document.

The Egyptian copy of the gospel was written on 13 sheets of papyrus, both front and back, and found in a multitude of brittle fragments.

Rudolphe Kasser, a Swiss scholar of Coptic studies, directed the team that reconstructed and translated the script. The effort, organized by the National Geographic, was supported by Maecenas Foundation for Ancient Art, in Basel, Switzerland, and the Waitt Institute for Historical Discovery, an American nonprofit organization for the application of technology in historical and scientific projects.

The entire 66-page codex also contains a text titled James (also known as First Apocalypse of James), a letter by Peter and a text of what scholars are provisionally calling Book of Allogenes.

Discovered in the 1970's in a cavern near El Minya, Egypt, the document circulated for years among antiquities dealers in Egypt, then Europe and finally in the United States. It moldered in a safe-deposit box at a bank in Hicksville, N. Y., for 16 years before being bought in 2000 by a Zurich dealer, Frieda Nussberger-Tchacos. The manuscript was given the name Codex Tchacos.

When attempts to resell the codex failed, Ms. Nussberger-Tchacos turned it over to the Maecenas Foundation for conservation and translation.

Mr. Robinson said that an Egyptian antiquities dealer offered to sell him the document in 1983 for $3 million, but that he could not raise the money. He criticized the scholars now associated with the project, some of whom are his former students, because he said they violated an agreement made years ago by Coptic scholars that new discoveries should be made accessible to all qualified scholars.

The manuscript will ultimately be returned to Egypt, where it was discovered, and housed in the Coptic Museum in Cairo.

Ted Waitt, the founder and former chief executive of Gateway, said that his foundation, the Waitt Institute for Historical Discovery, gave the National Geographic Society a grant of more than $1 million to restore and preserve the manuscript and make it available to the public.

" I didn't know a whole lot until I got into this about the early days of Christianity. It was just extremely fascinating to me," Mr. Waitt said in a telephone interview. He said he had no motivation other than being fascinated by the finding. He said that after the document was carbon dated and the ink tested, procedures his foundation paid for, he had no question about its authenticity. "You can potentially question the translation and the interpretation, he said, but you can't fake something like this. It would be impossible."
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Old Apr 8th, 2006, 11:56 AM       
I think this will probably just get ignored by mainstream Christianity at large.
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Old Apr 8th, 2006, 12:00 PM       
According to the article, there's a "whole generation" of Christians who will embrace it. More like a whole generation of Dan Brown readers.....

There isn't necessarily a reason for Christians to jump all over this anyway. I was under the impression, and the article alludes to it, that it was quite common for the various Christian sects of the early movement to produce writings and fables of their own.

Eh....who knows.
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Old Apr 8th, 2006, 12:05 PM       
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There isn't necessarily a reason for Christians to jump all over this anyway. I was under the impression, and the article alludes to it, that it was quite common for the various Christian sects of the early movement to produce writings and fables of their own.
Yup, and a number of those are in the Bible or have been.

This sounds kinda bogus to me, but it's really interesting if there's any truth to it. Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out.
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Old Apr 8th, 2006, 12:39 PM       
Huh, that's funny, the example I was thinking about ("Cast the first stone" and all that) came up just now in a Daily Show clip someone referred me to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXxM24B1CPo

Also, here's the manuscript in question. The first bit is hilarious if you imagine Jesus is drunk and uncomfortably honest.

http://www9.nationalgeographic.com/l...pelofJudas.pdf
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Old Apr 8th, 2006, 12:47 PM       
Just like pjalne said, the entire Bible is made up of those "fables". It's just that those fables told the story that the early Church wanted it to tell, so they were picked to be in the book.

I, for one, am a fan of the Gospel of Thomas, but that's just me.
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Old Apr 8th, 2006, 12:59 PM       
A funny example is the Apocalypse of Peter, which was cut from the Bible because priests felt uncomfortable reading it in church. If it was still in there, it would give fundamentalists a lot of gunpowder in their attempts to politisize religion, since it describes exactly how gays and women who have abortions are treated in hell.

If anybody wants to check it out, keep in mind that there are two texts with the same name, so if you can't find anything about gay people being thrown off cliffs all day you've got the wrong one.
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Old Apr 8th, 2006, 01:59 PM       
This is fairly interesting but all in all probably won't add much to the Gnostic understanding. The whole, "Freeing from the fleshy prison" thing is very gnostically accurate, they were crazy cunts like that.

I am, however, quite interested in seeing the Christian response, if there is any.
I hope this doesn't become a dan brown book, I hate that fucking cunt. I hate that he had the audacity to write about the illuminati, and that people actually believed what he wrote and try to act smart about the knowledge in it. It's like scholary for dummies or something.
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Old Apr 8th, 2006, 03:04 PM       
While I agree with you that people shouldn't believe what they read in a Dan Brown book, that doesn't make them any less entertaining. You just need to look at it for what it is; a novel.
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Old Apr 8th, 2006, 04:27 PM       
Now we'll just need Royal to weigh in, and the circle will be complete.
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Old Apr 8th, 2006, 04:36 PM       
The Catholic Encyclopedia mentioned the Gospel of Judas back in like 1911. It's written far too late to be considered canonical by any means. It's written by a fringe group who were only "Christian" because it seemed like a trendy way to revamp their whackjob beliefs. I don't see how this could possibly prove anything, seeing as it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for Jesus to have a conversation that was somehow remembered for 250 years before being written down, despite the popularity of written gospels predating it. It would literally be like Dick Cheney sitting down and writing an addendum to the Federalist Papers.

So, for the sake of knowledge as for how it concerns scholars of Gnosticism, sure, this is a great find. Nothing in it would be particularly shocking, since it's tautological that the Gnostics would elevate Judas as simply "fulfilling his role".

Back in 1999/2000, I got over a hundred theological queries by email, and most of them asked about the Gospel of Thomas. The movie Stigmata made it sound like nobody had heard of it before Nag Hammadi (total bullshit) and that it was repressed for having dangerous secret knowledge. In truth, it was repressed because it's Gnostic trash that doesn't even make historical sense.
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Old Apr 8th, 2006, 04:56 PM       
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I, for one, am a fan of the Gospel of Thomas, but that's just me.
What do you like about it?
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Old Apr 8th, 2006, 05:08 PM       
The centerfold.

The idea that Judas was doing God's will is he;ld by a number of religous scholars.

Seth, I have to look into this, but there are mentions of a Gospel of Judas going way further back than 1911. It's just there has never been an extant copy found. This one is quite old, and appears to have been a copy of a still earlier text.

I need to read a whole lot more and better writing on the whats and wherefors of this particular artifact before I have any idea what I think of it, but I think early Christian gospels that didn't make it into the cut are very interesting and quite revealing of what the Jesus movement was like beofre it became codified into a single 'Christianity'.

I reserve judgement.
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Old Apr 8th, 2006, 06:33 PM       
I thought the Gnostic opinion was that Jesus was never actually cruxcifed and he just flew back to heaven. Though I suppose every 'gnostic' had a different view. In any case, there's boatloads of weird gnostic apocrypha, and it's all dangerously full of shit.
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Old Apr 8th, 2006, 06:52 PM       
What makes the gnostic apocrypha any more full of shit than what's in the Bible now?
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Old Apr 8th, 2006, 06:53 PM       
They didn't use footnotes.
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Old Apr 8th, 2006, 07:13 PM       
The Gnostics thought the human soul was a prison that needed to be escaped for the spirit to get to heaven. All the Christians ever said is that we're sinful and need to (and can be) forgiven. Saying the human psyche is a prison for an imaginary spirit is probably a bit more ridiculous than saying that human beings have an inevitable tendency to be sinful assholes. Also, it's a bit more dangerous, christians tend to just convert people to the belief in Christian grace, Gnostics have a tendency to convert people to 'spiritually' pure versions of humans. Kind of like converting people into aryans by killing all the jews and poles and etcetera. Or into communists by killing all the kulaks.
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The christian bible submits the exact same approach as the gnostics, it's just in the interpretation. Yes we are sinners, but we are sinners because we are away from God because in Genesis we succombed and ate the apple, which is symbolic of the gnostic fall and a derivitive from earlier mythological stories depicting the same event. You remember how in genesis before we ate the apple we were perfect and then afterwords we succombed to the earthly manifestations? Hence, "Prison".
The earthly sphere is where sin is, while in heaven is where bliss is. I don't see how that's any different, you don't get to heaven while you're still in your earthly form. Even the bible says it's after you die.

There's also various accounts within the bible besides jesus' story in which the fleshy prison was escaped. Burning chariots anyone? Stairways to heaven?

Somebody seriously submit how the foundations are any different.

By the way fleshy prison or whatever you called it is a stupid definition and is a horrible representation of what gnostics actually believe, although I'm sure a ton of assholes would put it to you in a day to day conversation because I've dealt with that attitude before as well, but for clarification purposes you should know that's not entirely accurate. It's simply a matter of that being the way the world works here. People die, there's drama and strife contstantly. It's "Nature", and what we desired.
Whenever you are considering spiritual beliefs it is based to consider them in a very real fashion. Try to imagine how it would function in the day to day world, and the effects it would have. Essentially, meditate on it. It's SUPPOSED to be realistic and relative to life, otherwise it would be pointless. It's supposed to be obvious and describe the obvious problems here on earth and offer the somewhat obvious answers. Because like I said, if it didn't why would it be so valuable? Why would people invest their lives into studying it? How would we even be able to observe it in the first place?
Believing religion and spirituality describes something beyond us that we can never acheive is a ridiculous cop-out entirely contrary to the fundamental concept of it.
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I liked "The Robe" almost as much as Anne Rand's "Memnoch the Devil."
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Old Apr 10th, 2006, 11:36 PM       
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I, for one, am a fan of the Gospel of Thomas, but that's just me.
What do you like about it?
Well, the main thing that I like about it is that it fills in the gaps of his childhood, but more than that, it teaches a good lesson. If Jesus, the "son of God", was like that as a child, and still grew up to be the way he was, then that gives people hope.
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"If Jesus, the "son of God", was like that as a child, and still grew up to be the way he was, then that gives people hope."

That's the entire point of the bible, to give people hope and a method of salvation and serenity. Also, the son of god is an incorrect euphemism, it's actually the, "Son of Man". Although he has called himself Son of God on an occasion or two, the correct method is Son of Man. As you notice, everybody is(or is capable of becoming) a son of man. Hence the idea of Man overcoming death and joining God-- the story of Jesus.
Why people think of Jesus as a god is beyond me, he didn't become "God-like" until after his death and ressurection, that's why it's such a big deal that he sacraficed himself-- AS A MAN. Otherwise it would have no meaning. "Hi guys I'm a god I'm immortal I'm going to sacrafice myself now look at all that meaning when I come back to life like I'm supposed to because I'm a fucking God".

I don't understand how you people can not understand the bible. Didn't you attend church?

"I thought the Gnostic opinion was that Jesus was never actually cruxcifed and he just flew back to heaven."
See above.

edit; I thought it would be interesting to note that the sin jesus died for was the "Original sin", or the eatting of the apple. Draw some conclusions.
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Old Apr 11th, 2006, 07:33 PM       
I've actually been wondering about that, myself. Every Christian that I know says that Jesus was always all God and all Man. If that is the case, exactly how meaningful WAS the sacrifice if he knew he was coming back afterwards? :/
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Old Apr 11th, 2006, 10:23 PM       
I just watched somthing about this on the national geographic channel if you are intrested in the gospel of Judas. Yeah I dont really get the whole thing of how people ended up worshipping jesus and even more weird, i dont mean to bump but is the Unifacation Church where a asian man Dr. Reverand Moon claims to be jesus incarnate.
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Old Apr 11th, 2006, 10:25 PM       
Yea, it doesn't really make any sense when you regard it like that. The whole point of jesus' story was that he was a man, like us, who became something better. According to the bible we are all sons and daughters of God, so elevating him unnecessarily doesn't really do us any good.

The only thing I don't really understand about the story is the immaculate conception parts. There's been a few people who are claimed to have been immaculate conceptions, like Pythagoras, but it doesn't really shed any light on the issue. I've heard the word "Virgin" that was used to describe mary actually meant, "Young girl", but it still doesn't shed any light on the symbolism, if there is any.

Sometimes I think it's really just a way to trump them up and make them special, but you'd think there'd at least be symbolism there or something. I have a few ideas, but nothing really solid.
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Reverend Moon is a card. Isn't he the editor-in-chief of some Washington paper?
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