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Old Oct 29th, 2004, 08:03 AM        9 out of 10 terrorists agree, "ANYONE BUT BUSH!!"
http://www.drudgereport.com/abct2.htm

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX THU OCT 28, 2004 17:02:35 ET XXXXX

TERROR TAPE WARNS OF BUSH, CHENEY CONSEQUENCE

**Exclusive**

The CIA and FBI have authenticated a new al Qaeda videotape which warns of retribution for Americans electing Bush and Cheney.

"What took place on September 11 was but the opening salvo of the global war on America and that our Lord willing, the magnitude and ferocity of what is coming your way will make you forget all about September 11," the man, whose face is covered by a headdress, warns in the video.

"After decades of American tyranny, now it's your turn to die."

The alarming tape which warns the next terror attack will dwarf 9/11.

The CIA and FBI late Wednesday authenticated the tape, federal sources tell DRUDGE.

ABCNEWS obtained the tape from a source in Pakistan.

"You are guilty, guilty, guilty. You're as guilty as Bush and Cheney. You're as guilty as Rumsfeld and Ashcroft and Powell...," the man states.

He goes on to warn of an upcoming horror: "The streets will run with blood," and "America will mourn in silence" because they will be unable to count the number of the dead.

"People of America, that was the verdict now for the sentencing: as participants and partners in the crimes of the regime, you too shall pay the price for the blood that has been spilled."

Developing...

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Old Oct 29th, 2004, 08:13 AM       
You'd better vote Bush, to show those terrorists what's what! After all, the voting process is all about not doing what people who want to scare you into doing things want you to do.
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Old Oct 29th, 2004, 08:36 AM       
Hi this is an article I found on drudge report. Ok, and here's the title I made up I hope you guys read it. I'd put asterisks in there but I don't wanna get banned. Bye.
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Old Oct 29th, 2004, 10:01 AM       
THE KERRY ADIMISTRATION HAS TAKEN THIS WAY TOO FAR NOW
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Old Oct 29th, 2004, 10:38 AM       
....I still have trouble believing Ronnie is serious when he does this......
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Old Oct 29th, 2004, 12:12 PM       
you have to remember that Ronnie is an idiot. He thinks that just because something appears in print, it's true.
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Old Oct 29th, 2004, 12:24 PM       
WASHINGTON -AP wire -- After a technical analysis, the CIA cannot determine whether a videotape obtained by ABC News in Pakistan featuring a man claiming to be affiliated with al Qaeda is authentic, a U.S. intelligence official said Thursday.


Hmmm. Drudge report sources vs. ap wire sources. Hmmmm. Which to believe? Tough call.
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Old Oct 29th, 2004, 12:26 PM       
North Korea, Iran, communist China, the Palestinian Authority, Afghanistan, and an overwhelming majority of Pakistanis all support Kerry. is it so much of a stretch to think that amongst their ilk there might be some people capable of this? this is not completely invalid and most of the comments in this thread are strikingly ad hominem.
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Old Oct 29th, 2004, 12:30 PM       
England, Canada, France, and every other intelligent country supports Kerry, too. Might it not be a stretch of the imagination to think that it's because he's the least likely to play Risk with the power given to him?
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Old Oct 29th, 2004, 12:32 PM       
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North Korea, Iran, communist China, the Palestinian Authority, Afghanistan, and an overwhelming majority of Pakistanis all support Kerry. is it so much of a stretch to think that amongst their ilk there might be some people capable of this? this is not completely invalid and most of the comments in this thread are strikingly ad hominem.
1) Sources, please?

2) Even if it's true, why is that such a bad thing? Maybe all of these countries think that Kerry won't be the stubborn prick that Bush has proven to be, and maybe *gasp* diplomacy, reason, and actual civil discourse can take place, rather than Dubya's bullshit comic-book "evil-doer" rhetoric. Oh, heaven forbid.
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Old Oct 29th, 2004, 12:35 PM       
I just took the time to read the pasted Drudge item beyond it's false first paragraph, and was struck by the fact that nowhere in it do they talk about who they want for President. Do they hate W et al and want them dead? Sure! But my guess is they hate them enough that W loosing isn't the punishment they're looking for. I'm not saying this tape might not be legitimate. I'm saying naldo's title could have been slapped on a cut n' paste off the campbells soup web page and made as much sense.

My guess? Serious terrorists couldn't care less who are president is. W has done a good job recruiting for them, but I don't think they believe Kerry would do a worse job recruiting for them. Are they afraid of Bush? Obviously not. Suicidal terrorist don't get afraid.

Terrorists see America as the Great Satan, period. They are going to try their hardest to kill us, period. I bet they don't give a crap in a handbasket about who we elect.
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Old Oct 29th, 2004, 01:15 PM       
I got it from an OSINT article (thanks Ror) and from front page mag. here's the actual article:

By Ben Johnson <http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/authors.asp?ID=1120>
FrontPageMagazine.com | October 22, 2004

You shall judge of a man by his foes as well as by his friends. Joseph
Conrad in the novel Lord
<http://www.online-literature.com/vie...dge%20of%20a%2
0man%20by%20his%20foes%20as%20well%20as> Jim.

Months after John Kerry boasted of having received secret endorsements from
anonymous foreign leaders around the world, many of the gaps have been
filled in. The leaders of the world have weighed in on the 2004 presidential
election. Lets run down the list of nations supporting each candidate:

John Kerry

North Korea: Although north Asias gulag archipelago has not formally
endorsed a candidate, official Communist organs have shown a pronounced
affinity for John Kerry. In March, the Financial Times noted, John Kerry,
the presumptive Democratic candidate, is also getting good
<http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/001099.php> play in
Pyongyang. North Korean radio has aired several of Kerrys anti-Bush
speeches, and the Korean Central News Agency has given the Democratic
candidate glowing coverage. Kerry has publicly called for bilateral
discussions with North Korea, such as those conducted
<http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=5368> by Jimmy
Carter on behalf of the Clinton administration in 1994, although analysts
agree these would be counterproductive
<http://ms101.mysearch.com/jsp/GGcres...http%3A//ms101.
mysearch.com/jsp/GGmain.jsp%3Fsearchfor%3DKerry+AND+%2522North+Kore a%2522+AN
D+bilateral+AND+disaster&u=http%3A//straitstimes.asia1.com/world/story/0%2C4
386%2C277663%2C00.ht> .

Iran: A June editorial in the Tehran
<http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/bayefsky200410210837.asp> Times
stated, Kerry is exactly what the U.S. needs right now. It is undisputed
that Kerry has promised to give Iran exactly what it needs right now:
nuclear fuel. Kerry pledged to supply Iran with nuclear fuel, just as Jimmy
Carter and Bill Clinton did to North Korea as it revved up its nuclear
program during the 1990s.

Communist China: The state-controlled Peoples Daily news website formally
endorsed <http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1184147/posts> John
Kerry in July. An unsigned
<http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/7/28/141010.shtml> editorial
averred:

Comparatively speaking, Kerry is noted for being friendly with China. He was
once firmly against linking the most-favored-nation status to China with
human rights. From a long-term view, a Democratic administration, which
stresses international cooperation, pursues multilateralism and stands for
a policy of contacts, will be better for both world peace and Sino-U.S.
relations.

The editorial also noted John Kerry opposes containment of China.

Palestinian Authority: PA foreign minister Nabil Shaath
<http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBu...reaus\archive\
200410\FOR20041019a.html> has said in a Kerry presidency, it would be
likely that several staff members during Clinton's administration would
return, adding, that would be a good thing. Kerry has vowed to name Bill
Clinton or Jimmy Carter as Middle East envoy. The state-controlled Palestine
Media Center bashed Bush's refusal to deal with Arafat. President Bush has
said Yasser Arafat is not a worthy partner working for Mideast peace.
Conversely, in his 1997 book The New War, John Kerry referred to Yasser
Arafat as a statesman.

Malaysia: In a letter dated last Friday, former Malaysian Prime Minister
Mahathir Mohamad exhorted fellow Muslims to vote for John F. Kerry
<http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBu...reaus\archive\
200410\FOR20041019b.html> in the name of Islam. Mohamad said his
co-religionists have a duty to ensure that Bush will not be able to
determine our fate for four more yearsThere is an obvious connection between
the sufferings of the Muslims and the policies and thinking of Bush. This
is not Mohamads first foray into international controversy. As he prepared
to step down from his 22-year-long reign as prime minister last year, he
famously told the 10th Islamic Summit in Kuala Lumpur,
<http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=10460> Jews rule the
world by proxy. (To counteract this, he has instructed Muslims to vote for
John Kerry, the only ethnically Jewish candidate in the presidential race.)

Socialist Spain: As early as March, Spains appeasenik prime minister and
Socialist Party member Jose Luis Zapatero said,
<http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/3/15/125545.shtml> I want Kerry to
win. Zapatero told the International Herald Tribune Spains Socialists the
party of unilateral surrender elected after the Madrid train bombing on
March 11 were aligning ourselves with Kerry to build an alliance for
peace, against war. Zapatero, who said he favors a dialogue between the
government of Spain and the new Kerry administration, vowed the
Kerry-Socialist axis would assure there will be no more deaths for oil.

France: According to all reports, John Kerry is wildly popular in the land
of Gaul. A recent Le Monde poll found the Francs backing John Kerry over
President Bush by
<http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBu...reaus\archive\
200410\FOR20041019c.html> more than three-to-one (72 percent to 19 percent).
The Financial Times quotes an unnamed French government official pining
for <http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1228400/posts> the return of
the Democrats to Washington and the Baathists to Baghdad, saying, A lot
depends on who is in power in both Washington and Baghdad. If there's change
in both countries then it's possible we would re-examine our position.
(Emphasis added.) The chairman of Democrats Abroad gave the Ich bin ein
Berliner speech of the 2004 campaign,
<http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040318-112136-7499r.htm> gushing Kerry
is the closest thing that you will have to a French politician.

Germany: The Financial Times quotes Gert Weisskirchen, the foreign policy
expert for Germanys ruling Social Democratic Party, as
<http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1228400/posts> analyzing the
presidential race thus:

I cannot imagine that there will be any change in our decision not to send
troops, whoever becomes president. That said, Mr. Kerry seems genuinely
committed to multilateralism and as president he would find it easier than
Mr. Bush to secure the German government's backing in other matters.

Vietnam: An unnamed Vietnamese diplomat told the international press, I
think Vietnam would support Kerry because he has travelled many times to
Vietnam and he understands better the situation here than Bush, who is a
war-mongering president. Why not? Kerry has 30 years experience negotiating
with Vietnamese Communists and is immortalized
<http://www.vetsagainstkerry.org/Misc/KerryHonoredByCommunists2.htm> in Ho
Chi Minh Citys War
<http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14456> Remnants
Museum.

Others: International polls indicate the vast majority of Pakistanis,
Jordanians, and Moroccans disapprove of President Bush and may be assumed to
support Sen. Kerry by default.

Meanwhile, those engaged in the War on Terrorism have supported President
George W. Bush.

George W. Bush

Russia: On Monday, Russian President Vladimir Putin
<http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBu...reaus\archive\
200410\FOR20041018c.html> told Russias RIA news agency Iraqi terrorism
aims at causing maximum damage to President Bush and to forestall his
second term re-election. He warned, If they succeed, they would celebrate
a victory against America and the anti-terror coalition, and this could lead
to more acts of international terrorism. Although Putin pledged to respect
any choice of the American people, his comments were seen as a muted
endorsement of President Bush. It seems, since mourning the tragedy of
Beslan, he has discovered the wisdom of pre-emption.

Israel: Although Yasser Arafats Palestinian Authority favors John Kerry,
the Israelis favor George W. Bush. Israels military intelligence chief,
Major-General Aharon Zeevi told the Israeli Cabinet he feared, 
<http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/455713.html> Arafat is now waiting
for the month of November in the hope that President Bush will be defeated
in the presidential election and turned out of his office. Israeli citizens
seem to agree. In a poll taken by the newspaper Haaretz, Israelis preferred
Bush over Kerry <http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/488983.html> by
two-to-one. (In all, one may expect an improvement in domestic Jewish
support for the president, but many American Jews remain
<http://www.frontpagemag.com/blog/BlogEntry.asp?ID=355> steadfastly loyal to
the Democratic Party.)

Japan: Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi divulged his
<http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics....chive%5C200410
%5CPOL20041018b.html> support for the president last week. I don't want to
interfere in another country's election, he said, but I am close to
President Bush so I want him to do well. The Secretary-General of Japans
Liberal Democratic Party, Tsutomu Takebe, told the media, I think there
would be trouble if it's not President Bush. Takebe said Kerrys plan for
bilateral U.S.-North Korean negotiations would be exactly what North Korea
wants.

The Philippines: Filipinos also support President Bush. Filipinos...have a
frontline appreciation of the threat posed by international terrorism,
according to <http://www.thedailystar.net/2004/10/18/d41018011414.htm>
political science professor Alex Magno, an adviser to President Gloria
Arroyo. Over the past two decades, hundreds of Filipinos and some Americans
have died at the hands of such
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/philippines/front.html> al-Qaeda
affiliates as
<http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12437> Abu Sayyaf
and <http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Jama'at+Islamiya> Jamaaat
Islamiya. Perhaps unsurprisingly, Magno states, If Filipinos were voting
for the American president, George W. Bush would have this election in the
bag.

South Korea: South Koreans, who have been tending toward anti-Americanism
for years, remain split on the election. However, polls show the most
anti-Communist segments of South Korea favor President Bush.

Two More Important Endorsements

Finally, two non-state actors have made their preferences known: al-Jazeera
Television and the Communist Party USA.

Osama bin Ladens chosen media outlet, al-Jazeera which regularly refers to
suicide bombers as <http://titian.dailykos.com/story/2004/6/18/11818/9013>
martyrs and may have
<http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14302> direct ties
to terrorism now hopes to refer to John Kerry as Mr. President. The
pro-terror Mideastern network
<http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/3/16/132854.shtml> referred to John
Kerry as a popular mainstream Democrat with liberal tendencies and noted
the junior senator from Massachusetts has suggested Bush's handling of
[Iraq] is f****ed up. Although the National Journal named Kerry the
Senates most liberal member, al-Jazeera claimed Kerry is well placed
politically between his party's radical left and arch conservatives.
(Arch-conservative Democrats?) After all, the
<http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14452> Democratic
Party gave al-Jazeera a skybox at its national convention this summer.

The Communist Party USA is not foreign, although it illegally received
Soviet money for decades. It, too, has cast its lot with John Kerry. The
CPUSA lists as election priority number one that Communists do their
<http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/591/1/56/> utmost to help defeat
Bush. The communist website dedicates
<http://www.cpusa.org/article/archive/56> an entire page of internal
articles to anti-Bush propaganda. Echoing John Kerry (or is it the other way
around?), the Communist Party USA decries the
<http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/593/1/56> well-financed campaign
to weaken and destroy the impact of the African American vote. Similarly,
on September 11th of this year, Kerry
<http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15343> told the
Congressional Black Caucus, We are not going to stand by and allow another
million African American votes to go uncounted in this election. The
rhetorical similarities no doubt account for the CPUSAs silent endorsement.
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Old Oct 29th, 2004, 01:22 PM       
also, I'm not saying that it's good or bad that Kerry is being endorsed or supported by any of these countries (though most of those countries are traditional enemies of ours). I'm simply saying that, given their status, it wouldn't be surprising if their were people who actually felt this way. also, whether proven or not, this is an interesting story that is being completely discredited by an ad hominem attack.
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I think the relevance of this story cannot be overstated.


Did you know that John Kerry puts ketchup on his eggs? What a fucking freak!



Or maybe he's just whipped. Who can say?
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Old Oct 29th, 2004, 03:17 PM       
Wait Besides After 9/11 wha tthe fuck did the US do to the World? The Tape says Its now your turn to die. Has the us Blinly lashed out at countrys before Iraq?
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uuhhhhhhhhhh...Vietnam??
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Old Oct 29th, 2004, 04:13 PM       
Well, we toppled the government of Chile.

We tried to do the same in El Salvador.

We once tried to invade Cuba.

We overthrew the government of Panama.

We supported a coup and then funded a recall movement in Venzuela.

We bombed cambodia and lied about it during the Vietnam war.

We mined South American harbors.

We tried repeatedly to assasinate Fidel Castro.

And that's just the stuff that happened during my personal liofetime that I can recall ff the top of my head without doing any research at all, not even using Google.

I'm NOT a huge anti american guy either. I think on the whole we've done more good than bad in the world. I'm just saying the only reason for thinking lots of people all over the world don't have reason to think of us as trouble is ignorance.
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Old Oct 29th, 2004, 05:23 PM       
I find it funny that Terrorist groups accuse the united states of being coward who sit miles away and shoot rockets at your enemies. While its mostly true, The terrorists don't seem to be too keen to walk up and down the american streets with weapons
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Does anyone have a link to the video? I saw part of it on TV but want to see it in full.
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Old Oct 29th, 2004, 06:05 PM       
Apparently its over an hour long. I bet its almost as anti-Bush as Moore's film.
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Old Oct 29th, 2004, 08:20 PM       
It's kinda curious, but when you get your news from sources that AREN'T Republican spin machines they paint a different story, like Iran endorsing Bush for office:

"The head of Iran's security council said Tuesday that the re-election of President Bush was in Tehran's best interests, despite the administration's axis of evil label, accusations that Iran harbors al-Qaida terrorists and threats of sanctions over the country's nuclear ambitions."
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Old Oct 29th, 2004, 08:45 PM       
that must be the 10th terrorist ronnie mentioned!
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Old Oct 29th, 2004, 09:11 PM       
questions:

1.when is this election madness over?
2.how long before president kerry based HILARIOUS photoshop gags
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