Ozone hole is bigger than it has ever been

[CaptainBubba]

Originally Posted by KevinTheHerbivore

.....Right, but most global warming theorists acknowledge that our earth's history is one of fluctuating trends. Those scientists you call "stupid" comprise a large portion of the global scientific community. This community agrees that while heating trends have happened, this one is probably being sped up by our own practices..

So theres a large part of the global scientific community that things temp. doesn't fluctuate? I don't think thats what you meant to say but re-read my statement on what would be stupid to think. I'm pretty sure the concensus in the scientific community is that we're responsible for at best 1% of the heating/ozone deteriorating.

So? The Rockefellers and the DuPonts invested in bullshit eugenic research, but some good stuff actually came out of that Malthusian madness. Your conspiracy theory about an international plot of greedy scientists seems to be a bit of a stretch, however. :/

Slander! But no, seriously, how can the idea of people raising worry about an enviromental problem to get funding not be beleivable? If they (The scientific community) one day said, "Ok, global warmings not really a big deal and neither is the ozone layer. I guess we'll get back to studying trees", do you think they would still get the same amount of funding they currently do? They benifit by convincing people theres a problem. This can't be denied.

The indicators of a warming problem might be the subject of this article, as well as the melting ice caps. I think the "freeze fear" you're mentioning has little to do with it. There are REAL substantive causes for alarm here....

The point of the global cooling statement was to illustrate how dead wrong the scientific community can be concerning the enviroment. Though the temperature in the last century rose about 2 degrees on average, the century before that it decreased 7. Thus we can conclude the only thing they could be basing their theories on is the maximums since overall the temperature has decreased in the last 2 centuries.

Unless we've had global warming for more than 2 centuries now.

[The One and Only...]

Hey! Melting the ice caps could be the solution to the growing population problem! W00T!

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I do think that global warming is blown out of proportion, especially since many scientist now believe we are due for an ice age. Not anytime soon, but within the next couple centuries or so.

[O71394658]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the concern is crop production, per se. Wasn't the issue that g.w. would raise crop lines, with the ultimate doomsday prediction being that our fly-over state crop resources would ultimately leave us for Canada....? Not certain, just speculating.

Yes, if the temperature rose dramatically, climate belts would shift. No big problem, really (even though I believe it wouldn't happen). The hundreds of millions of acres of tundra would simply become arable land, which would increase crop production. The United States would have to plant crops that were more suitable for a warmer climate, is all. Something like 60 miles per degree. The most pro-global warming-extremist scientists predict a 10 degree rise in Farenheit. What's that. 600 miles? :/

Most of America's climatologists work for the government or work in universities (which are predominantly liberal) I believe. I'll do my best to find the article, even though I didn't find it online before. :/

Regarding the "ozone hole", there's also mass speculation regarding the topic. Seemingly, when they first started monitoring ozone, the hole was already there. I'll provide links to necessary information tomorrow.

[kahljorn]

Maybe the hole is there for a reason, like the Earth needs to take an occasional shit.

[AChimp]

The melting of the ice caps would have serious implications for Earth's climate. For one, where would all that water go? The polar icecaps are over three MILES thick in some places. That's a huge shitload of water, and is bound to increase water levels substantially all around the world. It's not like they would melt and the water would just vanish because it's convenient.

Not to mention the fact that there is no arable land up North! There may be some here or there, but it's called tundra for a reason. In a lot of places, there's just a few inches of soil, and then you hit solid rock. Can't really grow much, unless we all start eating lichen.

EDIT: In which case, I might add, Canada would have the market cornered. We are the world's largest producer of mossy rocks.

[mburbank]

I say we blast Vinth into near orbit. Then there'd be two great big holes in the ozone layer.

[Pub Lover]

Originally Posted by Some Aussie Wanker

Next they will have their own prime minister.

[O71394658]

Short article on effect of global warming and ice caps.