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Originally Posted by glowbelly
you can't tell me that you've never had sex strictly for pleasure, which, by the way, is one of it's purposes.
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Really? The biological purpose of sex is for human beings to have a good time?
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sex also isn't a constitutionally guaranteed reproductive act. what are you saying? that you want all sex to only happen when two people are ready to have children together? are you insane?
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That's not what I said, and that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying (as i'm sure I don't need to point out to you) that sex is important. It's risky (never 100% safe), it's potentially life threatening (if not practiced safely), and can change a persons life forever....whether they have the baby or ont (another thing I'm certain you know).
People can have sex all they want, but if they do it, especially if they do it stupidly, what entitles them to an abortion? I hate to admit it, but a point Pharaoh made earlier is accurate-- a woman is entitled to control her body, but the
state is entitled to dictate what they feel is the threshold that the public is willing to bear. For example, states have varying laws for what passes as acceptable and unacceptable cosmetic surgery, which is certainly less significant than abortion, right?
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this is the most insulting thing i have ever read. you actually think that women go out, have unprotected sex, get pregnant and don't worry about it because they can just get an abortion? you're the one trivializing this, now.
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Are you serious? Really? Wow, I'm sort of honored. Like, if I sent you a link to Nazi hate speech,
my comment would still top it? Neato.
Anyway, as I said, I think abortion is a tough choice for any woman (although to assume that it is for every single woman would be sort of silly, and not really supported by data). If a woman is on her second, even her third abortion, when does it stop being a really tough choice, and simply just contraception?
Where is YOUR line on acceptable abortions, glow? You claim, like everybody does, that you'd like to see a world without abortion. Yet you also think it's ok if a woman has had multiple abortions. How do you reconcile that?
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ever think that these women don't have access to contraception? do you have any clue how expensive the pill can be if you don't have health insurance? do you know how hard it is to tell your parents that you need to be on contraceptives because you are sexually active? did you ever think that OH MY FUCKING GOD that not all contraceptives are 100%!!??
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Which is why men and women should think hard about having sex, and OMFG, in this day and age, how hard is it to get a condom? i mean REALLY? If you live somewhere where you can't get a condom, them maybe you shouldn't have sex!
I'm not a supporter of the pill for personal reasons, but I agree with you that it should be easier to access if you don't have health insurance.
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my husband told me recently that there is not a man alive who really wants children.
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Well your husband doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. Sorry, but I personally plan to have a family one day, and I know I'm certainly not alone in that. There's a lot of bad men/fathers out there, but they are not the standard.
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ugh. kevin, you seem to think that getting rid of abortion is going to make certain men better. no. instead they are just going to be lazy, unaccountable, abusive, bad fathers.
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So then answer my previous question-- do these men pull of their masks after sex, revealing the evil super villains that they are? Why do men who are lazy, unnaccountable, and abusive seem to be having all these babies???
I think stupid men will take sex a lot more seriously if they have fewer escape routes from the consequences.
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the choice to get an abortion is a very personal decision that is based on many different circumstances that you could never possibly understand. you know why. i'm not going to say it again.
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Good, cuz I'm really tired of hearing them. i'm just not sure what it'll take to get by this argument, glow. You've had actual data presented to you, when I have time I'll dig up more. You keep reverting to this anecdotal stuff about me being a man. Then I tell you about pro-life women who have large families, or who have even HAD abortions and now regret it.....maybe what you should say is you really can only understand abortion if you're a woman who happens to be a pro-choice liberal, because that's what it sounds like.
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did you know that not all women can take contraceptives?
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Then don't have casual sex.
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did you know that condoms sometimes break?
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True, I think it even says something like that on the wrapper (or something like it's 99.99% safe). Maybe people, I dunno, should not have frequent, casual sex???
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did you know that sex is a natural act that feels good and is also a way of emotionally connecting with a human being on a spiritual level and to deny that to a person because they don't want to have a baby is what i consider to be EVIL?
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I'm glad the Church of glowbelly considers sex deprivation evil, but I'm not sure how relevant that is. I agree with you on the spirituality of sexual intercourse, but i'd rather keep all of that stuff out of this discussion (unless you want me to start saying what God supposedly wants, etc.).
Meth feels pretty good, too. At least that's what I hear....
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did you know that responsible people with careers and lives sometimes make mistakes?
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Which is all the more reason to take sex more seriously, and also make contraception readily available to people.
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do you have any idea how expensive it is to raise a child?
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Not yet, although I have a good idea. I personally wouldn't be able to do it right now, which is why I'm not going to get married yet, and more importantly, I'm not goingto get a girl pregnant!
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do you know how much a can of formula costs?
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drugstore.com has Nestle Good Start formula at $25.99 for like a 25 oz. can. Is that the market average, I didn't really get to shop around....?
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do you know how long that can lasts at the height of your child's formula intake? did you know that not every woman can breastfeed?
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Well, yes. Why? My mom couldn't, btw.
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do you know how much it costs to go to the doctor while you are pregnant and how much it costs to give birth? (i'll give you a hint, my very first midwive's appointment cost me $1000 and no, i didn't have health insurance...and guess what? a lot of people don't; the total bill on my emergency caesarean was close to $20,000, which included a mandatory 3 day hospital stay.)
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I think healthcare, particularly related to maternity and childcare, needs to be totally revamped in this country. One of the problems i have with the pro0lifers in this country is that they show very little regard for matters like these, which IMO lacks consistency.
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i think there are a record number of people out there without health insurance, so not only can they not afford to have babies, they can't afford to buy birth control. your answer is to tell them not to have sex. that's pretty simple-minded, if you ask me.
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Right, because the first thing people who have no insurance, no access to good contraception, and no knowledge on the subject should be doing is FUCKING!!! Isn't that like the very DEFINITION of simple-minded?????
Healthcare is a totally different thread, ESPECIALLY when it comes to childcare. We could also touch upon education, like how not every state even has universal Pre-k yet, and still uses these inefficient tax credit things......but that's another subject.