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Dec 22nd, 2009 01:12 PM | ||
Dimnos | Hey. Do you guys in Sweden shove frozen piss through mail slots like they do in Finland? | |
Dec 15th, 2009 01:00 PM | ||
The Leader | So it was good for you too, BC? | |
Dec 15th, 2009 08:20 AM | ||
Zhukov | ||
Dec 15th, 2009 01:47 AM | ||
Blasted Child | The Leader, It must be dear memory to you, the day you got to examine a Swede's scrotum | |
Dec 14th, 2009 04:55 PM | ||
The Leader | Nope, it's too cold. They just shrivel up like a Swede's scrotum. | |
Dec 14th, 2009 04:54 PM | ||
Dimnos | They dont have apples in Sweden? | |
Dec 14th, 2009 04:54 PM | ||
Tadao | You have to put it in Death Metal terms nowadays. | |
Dec 14th, 2009 04:49 PM | ||
The Leader | He's Swedish, Dimnos. | |
Dec 14th, 2009 01:55 PM | ||
Dimnos | Ever heard the term "A few bad apples spoils the bunch"? | |
Dec 13th, 2009 04:38 PM | ||
Blasted Child |
Obviously, I know that there exist people who abuse the system, I'm a not a complete idiot. I meant that the attitude towards an individual benefit seeker shouldn't be that he's a potential con artist. At the moment in Sweden there is a growing tendency to disbelieve just about everyone who is on a long term sick leave, and our government is about to cancel proper support for tens of thousands of seriously ill people. I think we're moving in the wrong direction. Also, I think the numbers relating to these insurance scams are a bit misguiding. How big a problem is this really? How big an amount of money is this compared to corruption, bonus-systems, corporate crime etc etc. How dangerous is it to our society that some people abuse the system, compared to letting poor people suffer because they can't afford the health care? Has a nation ever fallen due to sheer lack of work force, due to labourers pretending to be sick when they aren't? I think we're blowing this out of proportions. |
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Dec 13th, 2009 04:21 PM | ||
kahljorn | Isn't, "Everyone does not abuse the welfare system" just as stupidly generalized? | |
Dec 13th, 2009 11:18 AM | ||
Zhukov | I don't really see the problem in not assuming something as stupidly generalised as "everyone abuses the system". | |
Dec 13th, 2009 09:35 AM | ||
Ant10708 | I thought your argument was not to assume that people abuse the social benefit system. | |
Dec 13th, 2009 06:37 AM | ||
Blasted Child |
Ant, if that is aimed at me, which I guess it is considering you took the time to google up something Sweden-related, is it meant to prove anything? That the Swedish social insurance agency can make mistakes? That it's not perfect? You could have asked me; I'm well aware of its shortcomings. Since you're playing the copy and paste game, here's from wikipedia: Quote:
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Dec 12th, 2009 09:41 PM | ||
Ant10708 |
Around 20 billion kronor in welfare benefits are wrongly paid out by government agencies every year, according to a new study. |
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Dec 12th, 2009 09:34 PM | ||
Ant10708 |
A Swedish man who claimed to be wheelchair bound has been asked to repay millions of kronor in social insurance benefits after authorities obtained a picture of a him dancing with a life-sized rabbit. The 33-year-old man from Halmstad in western Sweden had claimed for years that he was bound to a wheelchair and as a result qualified for public assistance in the form of payments made to “people in his immediate environment” who helped him with daily tasks. While the doctor who originally examined the man didn't find any reason as to why the man couldn't walk, the doctor nevertheless accepted the man's claims. Between November 1st, 2005 and January 31st, 2009, the Social Insurance Agency (Försäkringskassan) paid the man a total of 3,001,741 kronor ($400,000) in benefits. |
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Dec 5th, 2009 11:32 PM | ||
Lord Lonic | Men are safe | |
Dec 5th, 2009 11:21 PM | ||
The Leader | Well, what about men? I know that a lot of doctors are women these days but I imagine most of the people performing the operation would be men. | |
Dec 5th, 2009 10:48 PM | ||
Lord Lonic | Abortion is wrong and should be considered murder. A woman should get life in prison for killing a fucking baby. | |
Dec 3rd, 2009 01:43 AM | ||
kahljorn |
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For the second part, why would you think that? |
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Dec 2nd, 2009 09:23 PM | ||
Zhukov |
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Dec 2nd, 2009 05:27 PM | ||
kahljorn | Zhukov please forward blasted child's last two responses to my private message folder thank you. | |
Dec 2nd, 2009 12:21 PM | ||
Blasted Child | Oh thank you for enlightening me, minion of Kahl, I shall return to my drawing board and formulate such an argument, which I will give to you so that you can show it to him. Please tell his highness that he might have to wait a while - arguments against stoning sick people to death don't exactly formulate themselves. | |
Dec 2nd, 2009 08:31 AM | ||
Zhukov | Kahl doesn't actually believe that killing is ever the right thing to do by the way; he just wants you to formulate an argument against it. | |
Dec 2nd, 2009 04:08 AM | ||
Blasted Child |
Who threw that rock!!? Kahljorn, yes I absolutely agree that that's the crux of the matter. With "generous" I don't really mean make everybody rich even if they do nothing; I mean don't assume that everyone is a lazy moocher when in fact they may want to work but can't, due to a number of illnesses or whatever. I think when the general attitude towards recipients of benefits is that they probably don't deserve them is when the climate of a society is taking a turn for the worse. This is probably more a matter of philosophy rather than practice. I've never been in a situation where I haven't worked (I'm a teacher by the way) and I'm very confident that even in the direst of times I'd probably find something gainful to do with my time, as long as I'm healthy. But I know of people who really can't work, but who'd love to if they could, and who are in the process of being able to work thanks to rather extensive programmes which are probably costly in the eyes of a tax payer. One thing I do know is that they would give up the prospect of working if the government accused them of cheating and instead left them to their own devices. I'm very interested in these questions and would love to hear more suggestions, as long as they steer clear from stoning, at least for a little while |
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