21 minute song

[Helm]

There's a world of a difference between a solid rock beat and a solid 160 bpm double-bass ride sixteenths solid beat. Face it. Metal drumming, even at it's supposed most stripped down is pretty demanding, if for nothing else, because of stamina issues. A lot of 'jazz' drummers just are more interested in faking the changes than in actually learning them. Any drummer, in any band, is in a position to influence the direction of the music, unless he's a moron, so that's not an argument.

Again, before we discuss this further, just so we're in the same ballpark, go and download Cryptopsy's song 'Voice of Unreason'. Then come back with a renewed perspective of how amazingly demanding this sort of playing is compared to most jazz 'shuffle shuffle kick kick cymbal' players.

Not that i'm discrediting good jazz. Just that people overrate the musicians that play in such bands as opposed to 'pedestrian headbanger' metal musicians.