Nader demands a recount

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Originally Posted by Abcdxxxx

Now I'm not the best at this funny new math you kids do, but even in that case example of the 600 and some odd votes, Kerry got less then a majority win according to their estimate. Put aside the Presidency, and just look at how the nation voted on other candidates and issues, and things should be pretty clear where the countries head is at.

I'm not so sure what it is that you're refering to. 600 votes? Wha?

As far as "how the nation voted," a lot of that is complicated and circumstantial. If you're talking about the gay marriage amendments, well, frankly, Americans don't want it. But as David Brooks pointed out in his recent column, most of America seems to have a pretty broad perspective on that issue. Most folks, at least according to polling data, seem okay with civil unions.

Otherwise, Senate/House seats that went "red" tended to be in places that should be "red." Like Charlie Cook points out in his analysis, a lot of this has to do with the realignment of the South, so this isn't necessarily a blow to the Democrats in 2004, but it's one they should've more so seen coming a few years back.

Let's face it, Kerry wasn't a great candidate which is why one of the biggest advocacy campaigns was "Anybody but Bush".... not a real endorsement of kerry now is it? Years from now, we'll view "Anybody but Bush" as being far more damaging then Nader ever was.

I tend to agree with you....sort of. Kerry belongs in Congress. You can't really run for president with a 20+ years voting record. Senators rarely get elected president, and Kerry only proved that to be true.

However, with that said, I think it's important to point out again that despite Kerry's short-comings, despite the fact that his campaign shifted gears too often, despite the fact that he was "ABB," he STILL received a shit load of votes. The GOP's attempt to turn this in to Nixon/McGovern is cute, but it's also waaaay off. Over 50 million Americans, nearly half of the electorate, voted for the guy who simply wasn't George W. Bush. A mandate that does not make.....

The left took such a bombastic approach to spreading their message that they ended up setting their cause back at least ten years, maybe more. It's just like the gay weddings issue. You can't force it under the books... if you believe it should be legal.do it right, and ammend the laws properly because if you don't, the Right will. So now because two mayors in progressive States acted as civil dissobediants when they damn well knew it would get over turned, being Gay in Kentucky got a whole lot less comfortable.

Eh, I understand why they did what they did, but if they want to compare themselves to the abolitionists or to civil rights activists, they certainly took the William Lloyd Garrison and the Malcolm X (respectively) approach, which isn't necessarily fruitful.

And I doubt it was ever very comfortable being gay in Kentucky.