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[KevinTheOmnivore]

Preechr, just to understand your point better, are you trying to argue that terrorism is economic in nature?

If that's so, why would men from wealthy families and Phd's strap bombs to themselves, or go live in caves? I do agree, again, if we're on the same page,that there are two kinds of globalization going on here. One is economic and encourages open markets, the other is religious and statist in nature.

[Preechr]

Originally Posted by KevinTheOmnivore

Preechr, just to understand your point better, are you trying to argue that terrorism is economic in nature?

Umm... yeah? Isn't everything?

Originally Posted by KevinTheOmnivore

If that's so, why would men from wealthy families and Phd's strap bombs to themselves, or go live in caves?

Why indeed? It is fact, however, that your average suicide bomber is not an average dumbass. Look at the dumbasses you know personally. Doesn't it jibe? Morons blend in when times get tough. Those that strap on the bombs are generally the same breed as your average American college protester. I'm not saying they're the brightest bulb on the tree, but I will maintain that it takes a bit of a broader understanding of your world to commit to martyrdom.

Apply this train of thought. You went to college. Imagine going back to your hometown and being hit right in the face with the realization that there existed absolutely nothing for you to do from that point on.

American troops call these guys "wallers," as they are usually seen leaning up against something. They hang out in groups and they commiserate amongst themselves. They generally have families, as there's nothing else to do. It's only a matter of time before they start the process of substituting anything, even violence, for their frustration and lack of hope for the future.

Originally Posted by KevinTheOmnivore

I do agree, again, if we're on the same page,that there are two kinds of globalization going on here. One is economic and encourages open markets, the other is religious and statist in nature.

Nope. Different pages. As I said above, it's all about the money. Economics trumps politics every time they meet in battle. It's quite cute to deploy the tactic of religion, but have you ever gotten to know a Muslim immigrant? You live in DC... Go to the grocery store and strike up a conversation. Mysticism and Nationalism are indeed powerful forces, but the history of the West shows us quite clearly that what matters most is most intimately affects our individual wallets. The only road to thinking their history will be any different runs through the swamp of believing they are all that different from us.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Uhhh, ok, I'll respond more later, but the go to a grocery store and talk to a muslim immigrant comment is retarded. Sorry.

[Preechr]

Ok, because there's not a hugely disproportionate Arabic immigrant population in the DC area... mmmkay.

I'm retarded. I've been worse, I suppose...

[Abcdxxxx]

The origins of terrorism aren't a lack of opportunity via poverty...contrary to that, history tells us that terrorism actually grew out of the opprtunities and economic growth in the region.

Poverty is merely the device that the Muslim ruling class use to exploit their people into aspiring towards scary seperatist doctrines. So stop believing the hype, little man....and while we're at it, stop presuming what I think, because by assigning such lazy ass stereotypes, it just makes you look like a bigot....and baiting me to call you one is so 2002. Oh, and when you can't debate me, stop asking me what my peace plan is. I've outlined my thoughts for co-existance about a billion times over, and if it doesn't fit the image you've built up in your head for me, then that's really your own problem to lose sleep over.

Okay though....let's talk about Pakistan, and how well those Nukes have worked out for them. Remember, they disbanded the parliament, and junked their constitution.... their government is less then stable, they have a population boom they can't handle, the number of citizens living in poverty is greater then their unemployment rate, half the adult male population can't read and their greatest expenditure continues to be DEFENSE and DEBT. Sounds like these Nukes take you straight to prosperity. Globalization is happiness!

Now you can dispute any of the problems mentioned above, and the question still remains, how has a nuclear capable Pakistan brought peace to the region ? That is what your advertising Iranian Nukes will do for the Mid-East remember? I mean, who are you kidding. Can you argue that the infleunce/threat of radical Islam has diminished in Pakistan since 1998? Check your timeline, and ask yourself if it's just a coincidence that the Taliban, and Al Qaeda upped the level of their attacks shortly after an Islamic dominant nation became nuclear, and then remind yourself why it is they have all found refuge in Islam's one Nuclear capable state. There must be some reason that almost a decade after announcing they got the bomb, Pakistan's government seeks to suppress the education of extremist Islam, right?

Anyway, the whole idea that you're arguing this as an economy generated issue rather then an intolerance and oppression one, is assinine. Is there a fiscal element to these conflicts? Of course. Do they dictate policy? Sometimes. Does that make your Socialist meets pro-Nuke Globalism song and dance any more applicable? Not on this planet, sorry.

[Preechr]

Originally Posted by Abcdxxxx

The origins of terrorism aren't a lack of opportunity via poverty...contrary to that, history tells us that terrorism actually grew out of the opprtunities and economic growth in the region.

Ok... Just explain that part. Give me your history lesson.

*sigh*

[Abcdxxxx]

No thanks, I don't see that being worthy of my time until you can qualify some of your statements first and give them legitemacy. Otherwise, it would be a bit too much like attempting to convince you that the Moon isn't safety orange. If you want to work under the premise that the sole motivation for terrorism is rooted in poverty, you're going to have to prove it first.