LET'S ARGUE ABOUT VIDEO GAMES

[Guitar Woman]

I was going to suggest we get some four-man co-ops going

[Schimid]

It's hardly fair to say that the Wii is made for nostalgia and people that don't typically play games. It's just made for people that play Nintendo games. Like I said before, My problem isn't so much with the Wii as it is with the industry itself and there just simply aren't a lot of games out that I personally want to play...except for Nintendo games. And even then, my interest is waning in their stuff too.

Personally I didn't like Gears of War, I thought it was dull and the cover system was extremely clunky and unintuitive. Then again, I don't like a lot of shooters.

[Zomboid]

Originally Posted by Schimid

It's hardly fair to say that the Wii is made for nostalgia and people that don't typically play games. It's just made for people that play Nintendo games. Like I said before, My problem isn't so much with the Wii as it is with the industry itself and there just simply aren't a lot of games out that I personally want to play...except for Nintendo games. And even then, my interest is waning in their stuff too.

It's gimmicky, man. When the selling point of most games is "LOOK! MOTION SENSING!", you can kind of tell that they're not exactly going for the same demographic as Sony and Microsoft. That's not to say that there aren't games for your average gamer, but there's a shitload (and it seems like the majority) of games that are made for Mom, Dad, and now, with wii fit, fatties.

Ox- I agree completely. I really enjoyed Condemned 2, but I'm glad that it was a rental because the multiplayer was utter shit and the single player mode was too short. Still fun though.

[Schimid]

Originally Posted by Zomboid

It's gimmicky, man. When the selling point of most games is "LOOK! MOTION SENSING!", you can kind of tell that they're not exactly going for the same demographic as Sony and Microsoft.

I agree. I completely and totally agree. But I'm not entirely sure that's what it's made for. People just have no clue what to do with it yet--including Nintendo. Right now I definitely think it's existence is limited to those two things you've boiled it down to, sure, but there's so much more that can be applied. Most of the best Wii games don't have an excessive amount of waggling. There is a TON of shovelware, sure, but you could find the same on the PS2.

The entire thing is future potential, I think. I wish I could say people are doing interesting things with it, but they're really not. WiiWare was originally intended for fresh takes on the controller, and very little of them are. Even worse, there aren't even any good REGULAR WiiWare games like Braid or Castle Crashers. Bomberman was a great idea but there's LAG. There's online lag for fucking Bomberman.

There are good games you can play on Wii that aren't available anywhere else. I love No More Heroes and Elebits (i miss it badly), Boom Blox is good from what I hear and De Blob sounds interesting. I think Mirror's Edge could be great on Wii if it didn't have an extreme amount of waggling (but God i know it would). Devs that aren't really experienced are going straight to Wii and getting their card game compilations on the map because, hey, it's cheap and everyone knows people on the Wii will buy that shit. Look at Carnival Games.

I guess my issue is that the Wii was made to include outside demographics, sure, but I don't think that was all it was...at first, anyway. The runaway success enticed game makers to just play it safe and just make a pool or beer pong game rather than develop new concepts and ways to use the remote. Maybe things will change, maybe not. Maybe the Wii's success damned us to increasingly simple games, like I feel Halo's success damned us to a decade of polished but indistinguishable space shooters.

But the Wii could do great things, if people just fucking tried.

[OxBlood]

You sure are an agressive little bunch of people *reads the last pages*

Basically, I can accept that there won´t be many original games in the future, but that doesn´t mean I can´t enjoy "normal" games. Take Rainbow Six Vegas 2 for example...I don´t know how many times I´ve played through that game with a friend, one of the games I spent the most time with this past year...same thing for Condemned 2 (minus the Multiplayerpart, didn´t like that).

I don´t need the holy grail of creativity pour it´s glorious content all over me when I play. Solid games are all I ask for. What I AM allergic to are bad dubs. Which is a local problem of non-english speaking countries mostly, yes, sure.

Concerning Dead Space...I´m actually looking forward to that. It has all the ingredients of a great game. Aliens, Mutants, drifting gigantic Spacecrafts (the drifting is very important), mining and mining-tools that double as weapons, Upgrades (ALWAYS enhance a game, literally) for the suit and the weapons, a main character with a mask and hopefully more than 8 hours of lenght. All it misses are zombies but aliens and mutants are valid substitutes for zombies, so that´s okay.