May 23rd, 2003, 08:32 PM
Actually, Hitler is right on here. Roosevelt's socialist dickering adversely affected the US, it did not aide us at all. It was a superificial recovery which actually created variables that, had it not been for WW 2, would have been the economic ruin of the United States. I won't go on, because mostly, thats been explained above.
"Oh yes, how silly of me, rather than write a letter to my local government saying how I think the double taxation they're trying to put on my local cable bill is wrong, I should just grab my musket and take over the state capitol. Or maybe I should just break off and form my own country because I disagree with the death penalty in my state. Wow. How could I have forgotten about the good ole revolution clause?"
You're trivializing, but its not going to work. Revolution is an extreme solution to an extreme problem, it is not to be used lightly, and apparantly by your application there, you HAVE forgotten about the revolution clause. The people are not captives, or victims, of their government. Period. The day they are, they will know it, just as the Russian under Stalin knew it, and one day they will fight back.
"Which I agree with, but I don't think that other people would agree."
Who the fuck are you? Their thought minister? I propose the guardianship of your thoughts to you, and they to theirs, get out of their skull and desist trying to use broad generalizations to support your nutters little theory.
"So you honestly believe that as long as our government passes a specific bill, then it must be right."
No, I merely believe that the majority of Americans, though apathy, inaction or approval, have given their consent and that the law should be respected.
"Or, if it isn't, and we've wrote letters, protested, signed petitions etc., then, well, I guess we have to revolt, right?"
Apparantly you are a missing something here. . .If enough people disagreed with something, like welfare, and petitioned against it, wrote letters and made calls to Capitol Hill, and their number's were great enough to even consider a Revolution. . .You would see it disappear over night. The aim of a first term politician is to get a second term, and that is all. Politicians reflect the will of the people, but often, the people do not let their will be known and so it is not the politicians I fault. The people are not victims, but they are idle.
"people took offense to the comparison because they came to a conclusion that was irrelevant to the original comparison."
No, I took offense to it because you have no idea where I stand, and exactly how insulting that phrase is, or worse yet, you do and don't care. White people aren't necessarily superiour, I can look around me and see that. I live in an apartment, with moderate means and modest accoutrements. I do, however, love my Irish heritage, with respect for the Germanic, Celtic, Scandinavian and Slavic cultures. Does those make me a hate monger? Hardly.
"So we have self-percieved victims who don't see themselves as victims. Is this the latest breakthrough in your brilliant theory? "
"Yes I do believe that there are times when a person may not be totally aware of the circumstances that form their persona."
Yes, but you are trying to say, not only are they unaware of the circumstance, but also of the persona itself. That is simply ludicrous.
"Can you honestly trace back every influence that turned you into the being you are today?"
No, but I can trace back the majority of them since I reached them through a process of rationalization.
"Can you give me the end-all definition of "self?" Sorry if the idea of subconcious influence is too much of a stretch"
So it becomes like every other psuedo-scientific theory then. When preliminary evidence suggests you're wrong, add in something to make in incomprehensible. For the matter, I am going to posit that all humans truly believe they are clouds, and that they do drugs in order to reach the heavens and soar with their brethren, and that, they do so subconciously. . ,Stupidity.
"I think you're definition of a 'victim' or 'un-victim' like things are a little narrow."
What is this buttfuckery? OF COURSE IT'S NARROW ASSHOLE, THAT'S WHAT DEFINITIONS ARE! They aren't loose conceptions of general ideas, they are strict descriptions. "I think your definition of heterosexcality is narrow! I can rape little girls, and thats still hetero right?!" Come on! Use your fucking head.
"Just because someone is a victim of something doesn't mean that they cannot do something to try and remedy the situation. You call these un-victim like things, but a person can use the fact that they were(or they believed they were) wronged as motivation for their views and actions."
Not everyone who is wronged is a victim, especially in this context, because it is their own laziness which facilitates such situations.
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