LET'S ARGUE ABOUT VIDEO GAMES

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

Originally Posted by Phoenix Gamma

We should argue about this in the "argue about videogames" thread :D

FFXII has the least amount of characterization. The story was garbage. I liked the fact that it took place in Ivalice but the majority of games that take place in Ivalice were bad.

Good ones:
1) FF Tactics
2) Vagrant Story

Bad ones:
1) FFXII
2) FF Tactics Advance
3) FFXII part two...the one for ds.

FF9 was really awesome. Only horrible part was the end boss.

For FFXII I really enjoyed the first 30 hours of it because I played it like it was FFXI. I solo'd till I got till level 25....then I got my second character.....the blond girl.

FFXII was just so bland. I would like to try the international zodiac edition because it looked like they actually individualized each char.

[OxBlood]

Originally Posted by 10,000 Volt Ghost

FFXII has the least amount of characterization. The story was garbage. I liked the fact that it took place in Ivalice but the majority of games that take place in Ivalice were bad.

Good ones:
1) FF Tactics
2) Vagrant Story

Bad ones:
1) FFXII
2) FF Tactics Advance
3) FFXII part two...the one for ds.

FF9 was really awesome. Only horrible part was the end boss.

For FFXII I really enjoyed the first 30 hours of it because I played it like it was FFXI. I solo'd till I got till level 25....then I got my second character.....the blond girl.

FFXII was just so bland. I would like to try the international zodiac edition because it looked like they actually individualized each char.

My main gripe with 12 was the fact that there was no fantasy in the game (for a FF-Game). "There´s these bad guys here and the have these...you know...ships and stuff and they wage war and all that jazz". So? Where are the fucking demons? Where´s the suspense? Okay, it had a Dragon, I´ll give it that. Oh and the main character, that little halfnude bastard Vaan...I HATE that kid, honestly. Worst main character in a RPG ever.

I actually liked FF Tactics Advance 1 and 2, but not because of the story, I just love the job-system. FF9 on the other hand...IS good, I know that, but it´s not fun for me. I try to play through it for 10 years now but I always cancel the whole thing after about 10-15 hours (maybe because it runs 20% slower here, curse you, old PAL games!)

Oh and I actually liked FF8. Weak story, sure, but you got freaking powerful after a while, that makes up for any weak story.

[executioneer]

Originally Posted by OxBlood

Oh and I actually liked FF8. Weak story, sure, but you got freaking powerful after a while, that makes up for any weak story.

but... but the bad guys level up as you do, so getting more powerful doesn't make a shit of difference

[OxBlood]

Originally Posted by executioneer

but... but the bad guys level up as you do, so getting more powerful doesn't make a shit of difference

Did they? I was smashing the bosses in two or five turns later on, they didn´t level up enough apparently. Now, a game that really did it wrong was Oblivion but that´s another story :D

[Phoenix Gamma]

I didn't think it was possible for anyone to actively dislike FF7 unless they were pulling guitar woman shit where they just try to go against the grain.

I played it sometime in 2002 for the first time when I borrowed it from a friend. Never got past the first disk. Story was okay, but the combat was slow, and random encounters felt too frequent. Once I left Midgar, it just wasn't interesting anymore; the game's introduction was really gripping, but got less and less interested as the story started to slow down.

Compared to Chrono Trigger, an SNES game, FF7 felt dated as fuck. Why would I want random encounters, slow battles, overly long attack animations, and ugly Popeye graphics when Chrono Trigger has none of that? Sure, the graphics complaint is a bit unfair, but still...

To be fair, I really wanted to like it, because zomg it's FF7, but it didn't jive well with me. Don't get me wrong, though; I see why people make a big deal over it, and I'm not saying people aren't allowed to like it or some shit; I just think that, as a game, it's not very good, even for the time it was released.

Originally Posted by 10,000 Volt Ghost

FFXII has the least amount of characterization. The story was garbage. I liked the fact that it took place in Ivalice but the majority of games that take place in Ivalice were bad.

Good ones:
1) FF Tactics
2) Vagrant Story

Bad ones:
1) FFXII
2) FF Tactics Advance
3) FFXII part two...the one for ds.

I liked the political story, and I liked that the leading female and the leading male were already taken, meaning they weren't going to fall in love with each other at the credits. Basch and Noah/Gabranth's relationship was interesting, particularly at the very end, and Balthier was one smooth motherfucker. Larsa was surprisingly awesome too; I was certain that he'd double cross my party, because he seemed shifty at the start, but he ended up being pretty damn cool. And totally loaded with X-Potions :D

Also, a lot of people really dig Tactics Advance. It sold a lot of copies and has a really strong following. Meanwhile, I'd argue that the original Tactics is pretty flawed; I can't see precisely where I place my units or who I'm fighting, so it comes down to luck at the very start. The story requires sparknotes, and the Calculator or whatever is so fucking broken. Tactics A2, while having the worst characters and story in the history of strategy RPGs, had some deep gameplay and the job system was pretty damn addicting.