Fat Kids........

[Chojin]

Most of what you eat gets into your body and if your body doesn't recognize it or doesn't use it, it goes into fat deposits and festers.

No, it generally gets removed. Eat a handful of rocks and let me know how many end up in your heart instead of the toilet.

Participants in the fructose group, however, showed an increase of fat cells around major organs including their hearts and livers, and also underwent metabolic changes that are precursors to heart disease and diabetes.

This just says that the fat is redistributed to problem areas. I still don't believe it, but it doesn't support your claim that it adds additional fat as compared to sugar. Since we're playing the repeating game, I'll go ahead and repeat that calories are the entire cause of fat gain and loss. You cannot get magic fat from 0-calorie chemicals. The shit has to come from somewhere. Source: law of conservation of mass.

corn syrup has been singled out by many health experts as one of the chief culprits of rising obesity, because corn syrup does not turn off appetite

Okay again right fucking here, your quote is trying to help me explain something to you. An increase in appetite causes people to eat more calories, which causes them to get more fat. THIS VERY QUOTE RIGHT HERE does not say that HFCS makes people fat. It says that it makes people hungry. Do you not appreciate the difference? If you would like to make the point that HFCS makes people hungry, be my guest, but it does not make them fat by itself.

No,

I said that obese people aren't healthy.

No, you said this:

This says that you don't understand the difference between unhealthy and fattening things, given that fat isn't inherently unhealthy.

It also has been shown to increase appetite in male rats and to induce obesity in female rats and chickens.

Define 'induce' as it's used in this study. My guess? It made them hungrier. Which is redundant.

There is a quote above that counters your statement. They do not have the same effect on the body nor do they have the same structure and they certainly do not have the same nutritional content.

Mountain Dew

kcal 290
carbs 77
sugars 77

Mountain Dew Throwback

kcal 280
carbs 73
sugars 73

Source: http://pepsiproductfacts.com/infobyproduct.php?brand_fam_id=1049&brand_id=1000&product=Mountain+Dew+Throwback

my bad, it's off by 10 whole calories. due to a rebalancing of the formula to make it taste the same.

HFCS is a sugar. It just is. In every way that matters, your body uses it the same way it uses any other sugar. This is also why gatorade works for athletes and doesn't kill them immediately.

fructose is not broken down in the digestive system like other sugars are. Instead, it moves directly into the liver, where it interferes with that organ's ability to process fat.

This does not mean that it isn't broken down in the digestive system AT ALL, it just means that it isn't broken down the same exact way. Again, it's close enough to not matter at all. The way this is worded implies that HFCS somehow dodges your stomach entirely, which is moronic. I guess you are excused for having a moronic understanding of nutrition if you believe that.

Re-read the quotes

Read the quotes to begin with.

I'm glad I can sleep soundly at night knowing the FDA is protecting me.

I don't understand what you're implying here. We don't have perfect knowledge, so we have to adjust our understanding of things as new information is tested and proven. The FDA, being run by human beings, is no exception; and they very much err on the side of caution.

So far, you have conclusively proven that certain chemicals make barnyard animals hungry and that you have a flawed grasp of English.

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by Chojin

No, it generally gets removed. Eat a handful of rocks and let me know how many end up in your heart instead of the toilet.

People don't eat rocks.

Originally Posted by Chojin

This just says that the fat is redistributed to problem areas. I still don't believe it

Why don't you believe it? It's right out in the open. Your not going to concede the argument to me, all you will be doing is acknowledging reality.

Originally Posted by Chojin

Okay again right fucking here, your quote is trying to help me explain something to you. An increase in appetite causes people to eat more calories, which causes them to get more fat. THIS VERY QUOTE RIGHT HERE does not say that HFCS makes people fat. It says that it makes people hungry. Do you not appreciate the difference? If you would like to make the point that HFCS makes people hungry, be my guest, but it does not make them fat by itself.

That's just one change that occurs in a myriad of other negative effects.

Originally Posted by Chojin

No, you said this

I assumed we are talking about obesity. Fat = Obesity. Since that's what the thread is about. Obesity and the causes, which are proven to be HFCS, food additives, and GMO's.

Originally Posted by Chojin

Define 'induce' as it's used in this study. My guess? It made them hungrier. Which is redundant.

Induce meaning makes them retain more fat AND increases there appetite. There are numerous negative consequences to these addtives and synthetic ingredients. We have to take all of them into account. As you state previous "HFAC is just also kinda poisonous. Okay."

Originally Posted by Chojin

HFCS is a sugar. It just is. In every way that matters, your body uses it the same way it uses any other sugar.

I think I've already proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that HFCS isn't used by the body in the same way as organic cane sugar.

And as you saw on your mountain dew chart.....HFCS has more calories and they add up.

Originally Posted by Chojin

This does not mean that it isn't broken down in the digestive system AT ALL, it just means that it isn't broken down the same exact way. Again, it's close enough to not matter at all.

Yes,

It's broken down in a different way. An ineffecient, dangerous way that effects the persons health negatively and also interferes with numerous organ and nervous systems.

[Chojin]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

People don't eat rocks.

They can (this is actually the function of the pancreas). They can also eat numerous things that are insoluble. Things that the body doesn't use (insoluble fiber, pennies, rocks, bone) generally get passed to the bowel. Not your organs. That is stupid.

Why don't you believe it? It's right out in the open. Your not going to concede the argument to me, all you will be doing is acknowledging reality.

Because you'd have to cite me an article that directly sources a credible study which makes that claim. It could be true, but neither of us know that. In any event, it doesn't cause enough of a detrimental effect to matter in any capacity.

Induce meaning makes them retain more fat AND increases there appetite. There are numerous negative consequences to these addtives and synthetic ingredients. We have to take all of them into account. As you state previous "HFAC is just also kinda poisonous. Okay."

How does HFCS cause someone to retain fat? It's a sugar, and it gets used for fuel, especially in the short term. Also, how much fat does it cause someone to retain? And again, I don't think I ever claimed that HFCS was awesome for you, its negative effects are just pretty negligible compared to sucrose or fructose.

I think I've already proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that HFCS isn't used by the body in the same way as organic cane sugar.

And as you saw on your mountain dew chart.....HFCS has more calories and they add up.

I think you haven't at all, but that's because I'm only going by things you've actually said.

And actually, according to those nutritional facts I posted, sugar has more calories than HFCS.

290 / 77 = 3.76 kcal/g HFCS
280 / 73 = 3.83 kcal/g Sugar

Which of course isn't true, it's just rounding error. Both are 4 kcal/g.

It's broken down in a different way. An ineffecient, dangerous way that effects the persons health negatively and also interferes with numerous organ and nervous systems.

In the sense that a snake in the road interferes with my ability to drive a car down it, sure.

HFCS, at the end of the day, is really no worse for you than table sugar.

HFCS does taste worse and kinda sucks in other ways. If I had a choice, I'd rather take the sucrose (okay I'd more than likely not eat either of them).

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by Chojin

They can (this is actually the function of the pancreas). They can also eat numerous things that are insoluble. Things that the body doesn't use (insoluble fiber, pennies, rocks, bone) generally get passed to the bowel. Not your organs. That is stupid.

Trace amounts of any substance you ingest get absorbed. Eat a nickel and then get your blood tested. Heavy Metal Traces will shoot up. Yes the nickel will come out in the bathroom and look untouched but you will still have a high amount of nickel material circulating through your body.

Because you'd have to cite me an article that directly sources a credible study which makes that claim. It could be true, but neither of us know that. In any event, it doesn't cause enough of a detrimental effect to matter in any capacity.

This little video may answer your question. Its somewhat amusing too if you've ever seen the HFCS propaganda commercials a little while ago.

Originally Posted by Chojin

How does HFCS cause someone to retain fat? It's a sugar, and it gets used for fuel, especially in the short term. Also, how much fat does it cause someone to retain? And again, I don't think I ever claimed that HFCS was awesome for you, its negative effects are just pretty negligible compared to sucrose or fructose.

The video above should of answered this question.

Originally Posted by Chojin

I think you haven't at all, but that's because I'm only going by things you've actually said.

And actually, according to those nutritional facts I posted, sugar has more calories than HFCS.

290 / 77 = 3.76 kcal/g HFCS
280 / 73 = 3.83 kcal/g Sugar

Which of course isn't true, it's just rounding error. Both are 4 kcal/g

Mountain Dew

kcal 290
carbs 77
sugars 77

Mountain Dew Throwback

kcal 280
carbs 73
sugars 73

Source: http://pepsiproductfacts.com/infobyp...+Dew+Throwback
This is what you posted before. Isn't the Throwback 280, 73, 73 ?

Originally Posted by Chojin

HFCS, at the end of the day, is really no worse for you than table sugar.

Actually at the end of the day HFCS, MSG, GMO's, and other unnatural synthetic additives are FAR worse than food that doesn't have them in it.

Much more. Almost night and day actually.

[Chojin]

I'll respond to the video in another post, maybe.

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Trace amounts of any substance you ingest get absorbed. Eat a nickel and then get your blood tested. Heavy Metal Traces will shoot up. Yes the nickel will come out in the bathroom and look untouched but you will still have a high amount of nickel material circulating through your body.

key word being 'trace'.

This is what you posted before. Isn't the Throwback 280, 73, 73 ?

Yes, and throwback is the one that uses sugar instead of HFCS. I even posted the formulas and work, but I'm not surprised you didn't read them.

Actually at the end of the day HFCS, MSG, GMO's, and other unnatural synthetic additives are FAR worse than food that doesn't have them in it.

Much more. Almost night and day actually.

No. There is no appreciable difference. You're just being conned by hippies instead of suits.

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by Chojin

Yes, and throwback is the one that uses sugar instead of HFCS. I even posted the formulas and work, but I'm not surprised you didn't read them.

So sugar has less Kcal, sugar, and carbs then HFCS then?

Originally Posted by Chojin

No. There is no appreciable difference. You're just being conned by hippies instead of suits.

Ok,

I guess I'm a hippy cause I don't like eating poison and I posted an article that linked high levels of fructose to obesity and diabetes.

Also,

I just found out that HFCS actually makes people resistant to LEPTIN which regulates the bodies metabolism.

[RaNkeri]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

I assumed we are talking about obesity. Fat = Obesity.

Human body requires fat to function normally. Having fat in your system doesn't make you obese

Obesity and the causes, which are proven to be HFCS, food additives, and GMO's.

Obesity has existed before any of these even became abundant in diets.

I posted an article that linked high levels of fructose to obesity and diabetes.

Duh? ANYTHING that causes obesity can be linked with diabetes

There is no one in your GI tract that is saying picking out which material is good or not. Most of what you eat gets into your body and if your body doesn't recognize it or doesn't use it, it goes into fat deposits and festers.

Really? And here I thought that they were secreted into feces and urine.

And since it seems that you only care about videos/articles etc., I'll be quoting the obvious from few articles:

Like sugar, honey and some fruit juices, high fructose corn syrup contains almost equal portions of fructose and glucose. Glucose has been shown to have a tempering effect on specific metabolic effects of fructose," Erickson says in a statement.

"New research continues to confirm that high fructose corn syrup is no different from other sweeteners. It has the same number of calories as sugar and is handled similarly by the body."

But Sandon says there is some evidence that high fructose corn syrup breaks down differently in the body than other sugars.

Madelyn Fernstrom, PhD, CNS, agrees that demonizing one type of sugar misses the point. "Everything in moderation," she says. "We are blaming individual sugars or individual fats when we should be focusing on calories. If someone drinks a 64-ounce soda, who cares if it is high-fructose corn syrup or cane sugar? It's still about 800 calories."

“There are lots of people out there who want to demonize fructose as the cause of the obesity epidemic,” she said. “I think it may be a contributor, but it’s not the only problem. Americans are eating too many calories for their activity level. We’re overeating fat, we’re overeating protein; and we’re overeating all sugars.”