Universal Health Care

[Dimnos]

All I want to know is how much is going to be taken out of my paycheck every week so some junkie can get his pain pills?

[Command Prompt]

Originally Posted by Dimnos

All I want to know is how much is going to be taken out of my paycheck every week so some junkie can get his pain pills?

Is this seriously how the conservatives actually think? Or are you just trolling?

[The Leader]

Originally Posted by Command Prompt

Is this seriously how the conservatives actually think? Or are you just trolling?

What site are we on?

[Dimnos]

Originally Posted by Command Prompt

Is this seriously how the conservatives actually think? Or are you just trolling?

No. I really want to know how much they are going to take out of my check every week. Seams like a legitimate question.

[Command Prompt]

Originally Posted by Dimnos

No. I really want to know how much they are going to take out of my check every week. Seams like a legitimate question.

Does your paycheck specify how much municipal tax goes towards roads that are walked on by bums and junkies who don't pay taxes?

Or how much of your taxes go towards free primary and secondary education for people who have children when you probably don't?

Does it specify how much was spent on police that were sent to protect an individual getting beat up who may have been a bum or junkie?

I don't understand how you can pick one government service, that should be available, (and is available, in every developed country except for yours), and ask for specifics, when you probably don't care about the ones that already are.

I mean, seriously, a bum, walking on the same roads that a taxpaying citizen uses. The nerve.


Furthermore, do any of you have any health care stories to share? Being fucked over by the system? Etc?

[Dimnos]

Originally Posted by Command Prompt

Does your paycheck specify how much municipal tax goes towards roads that are walked on by bums and junkies who don't pay taxes?

Or how much of your taxes go towards free primary and secondary education for people who have children when you probably don't?

Does it specify how much was spent on police that were sent to protect an individual getting beat up who may have been a bum or junkie?

The difference between a roads education and the police is that all those services I actually use. I drive on those roads too. When I was a kid I attended school. Now that I have kids of my own they go to school. And the police are there for everyone (for better or worse, thats a different matter all together). I never said universal health care was a bad thing. All I want to know is how much of my money the government is going to be taking out of my pocket. Or in other words... What is the bottom line? Is that really such a jerk thing to ask?

Originally Posted by Command Prompt

I don't understand how you can pick one government service, that should be available, (and is available, in every developed country except for yours), and ask for specifics, when you probably don't care about the ones that already are.

Actually I do care about the ones we already have but again thats a different matter all together. Im only talking about universal health care because that is the topic at hand. In a thread that you started if Im correct. So if anyone singled it out its you.

[Tadao]

Originally Posted by Command Prompt

Does your paycheck specify how much municipal tax goes towards roads that are walked on by bums and junkies who don't pay taxes?

Or how much of your taxes go towards free primary and secondary education for people who have children when you probably don't?

Does it specify how much was spent on police that were sent to protect an individual getting beat up who may have been a bum or junkie?

I don't understand how you can pick one government service, that should be available, (and is available, in every developed country except for yours), and ask for specifics, when you probably don't care about the ones that already are.

I mean, seriously, a bum, walking on the same roads that a taxpaying citizen uses. The nerve.


Furthermore, do any of you have any health care stories to share? Being fucked over by the system? Etc?

Are you sayiong he doesn't need to know this info and should just fucking shut up?

[Command Prompt]

Originally Posted by Tadao

Are you sayiong he doesn't need to know this info and should just fucking shut up?

I'd actually prefer he defend himself as intelligently as possible,

but shutting the fuck up is also a fairly reasonable alternative to asking banal, loaded questions.

A job? You mean like being an associate sociology professor at university? I'll look into it.

[The Leader]

Originally Posted by Command Prompt

A job? You mean like being an associate sociology professor at university? I'll look into it.

No, I mean a real job.

[Colonel Flagg]

Originally Posted by Dimnos

All I want to know is how much is going to be taken out of my paycheck every week so some junkie can get his pain pills?

You mean like Rush Limbaugh?

[Command Prompt]

Originally Posted by Dimnos

All I want to know is how much is going to be taken out of my paycheck every week so some junkie can get his pain pills?

When you asked the question like this, you weren't exactly asking what the bottom line was, so much as you were subtly inferring that people who will be getting the health care are people you feel don't deserve it.

And there isn't really a difference, unless you are saying that you wouldn't use the public option. Your for-profit insurance provider has covered every medical condition you have, and will continue to do so?

That's good for you man, because an ever increasing majority of people in your country are not in the same boat. Or arc, I guess, is more appropriate.

If you've never gotten a letter in the mail saying that you are denied coverage because the insurance company feels that your condition was pre-existing, or that the treatment is considered to "experimental" and you will owe the hospital $50,000, then you are pretty lucky.

I never have either, but that's because I was blessed enough to have been born in Canada, and I would not think twice about the fraction of a penny that goes towards helping other Canadians get adequate health care.

To be honest, the fact that Americans are willing to hold other Americans financially responsible for something like getting sick honestly makes ME sick.

[Dimnos]

But I thought we were heartless bastards who didnt care for anyone who couldnt take care of themselves?! Oh wait... Its only the dick lickers who are perfectly able to provide for themselves but chose to abuse the system that we dont like.

Originally Posted by Command Prompt

To be honest, the fact that Americans are willing to hold other Americans financially responsible for something like getting sick honestly makes ME sick.

I guess this would be statement from an uninformed blow hard. I suppose you study up a little more before passing judgment professor.

[Dimnos]

Originally Posted by Dimnos

All I want to know is how much is going to be taken out of my paycheck every week...

This is what people who have any sort of education call a question.

Originally Posted by Dimnos

...so some junkie can get his pain pills?

This is what anyone on these boards, aside from you apparently, would call a joke.

So your universal health care in Canada only costs you a "fraction of a penny"? Really? Thats all? I find that hard to believe. Im not saying it has to cost a ton every week, but it has to cost more than a "fraction of a penny".

Again I have never said I wouldnt go for it. I just want to know how much it is going to cost and if I will be forced to put into it if I have my own insurance. These are perfectly acceptable questions.

Originally Posted by Command Prompt

To be honest, the fact that Americans are willing to hold other Americans financially responsible for something like getting sick honestly makes ME sick

OMG! How dare we hold you responsible for yourself! Its a crime against humanity to expect you to get a job and provide for yourself! As far as those who just cant be expected to...

Hey T do you have a job? Do your medical bill get paid? Who pays for them?

[Command Prompt]

I agree that lifestyle is an important factor in many conditions, however genetics and other random factors still play a large role in determining the quality of life for many people. Everyone actually.

Holding people personally responsible for random variations in the gene pool is like saying the weather personally makes conscious decisions.

Essentially, the only way you can justify this line of thinking is by giving sway to some kind of hard determinism, in which certain people are created to be "better" than others, and everyone else just has to "deal with it."

[Tadao]

Originally Posted by Dimnos

Hey T do you have a job? Do your medical bill get paid? Who pays for them?

I am going on 39 and my government (THE GREAT U.S. of FUCKING A.) is providing me with free health care and a small amount of money to see me through via U.S. Social Security.