Fuck the fucking Red Sox

[KevinTheOmnivore]

BOOHOO, WE CAN'T WIN, FEEL BAD FOR US! LOOK AT ME, IM JASON VARITEK AND I SUCK, WHINE FOR ME! GIVE ME YOUR SYMPATHY!

Fuck game 6, let these punks have it. It'll make a game 7 victory all the sweeter.....

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Fck Boston, son of a bitch, they WILL lose tomorrow, and then every yankee hating journalist outside of Manhattan can eat it, and whine on about curses and shit......why doesn't anybody cry for the L.A. Clippers? When will somebody simply check the pulse on the red sox and just call it? WHY THE EXCUSES? Fuck Boston....

[El Blanco]

Fuck the Yankees.

Ya, I said it. And what?

Rooting for them is like going to a black jack table and cheering for the house.

Between their mongloid fans and all the fucking Massholes wandering around here, I'm about to go on another goddamned shooting spree.

Hey, "Yankee fans", learn who Steve Howe is and get back to me.

Hey, Red Sucks fans, a guy who died 60 years ago is not the reson why your team chokes every fucking chance. And Bill Buckner did not give up a 5 run lead in game 6. Learn to count to 7, morons.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Oh, whatever. Right, the yankees have money, blah, blah......coming from a yankee fan who had to put up with poor management decisions such as DANY TATRABULL and yes, Steve Howe, I will love every moment the yankees win, and i'll enjoy it every time they beat the Red Sox, which you can add to the list, uhhh......TOMORROW.

Fuck you, fuck Pedro Martinez, fuck tim wakefield, and oh yeah, fuck the mets, too.

[WhiteRat]

To show a comparison of how different the Yankees and Twins are:

Typical game program at a Yankees game: 10 bucks

Typical game program at a Twins Game: 3 bucks


I really don't believe that the Yankees are a far superior team because of thier loaded pockets...that is untill you look at the depth of teams with signifigantly lower payrollls such as the Twins. For instance, Twins rookie/future god Joe Mauer goes down. Who steps in? Henry Blanco and 41 year old Pat Borders. In the end, it seems that money wins.

[sspadowsky]

Hahahaha. I am enjoying the hell out of this series. Except for Game 3, it's been one hell of a ride. Ultimately, I don't care which team wins, because they will lose to the Cardinals in the WS.

The best part about this is seeing Kev get worked up even more than he does about political issues.

[ziggytrix]

Fuck your baseball and fuck your apple pie.

[El Blanco]

The reason the Yankees seem to have bottomless pockets is because their owner group is willing to put their own personal fortunes into the team's payroll. Most other owners refuse to do that.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

bingo. And the Red Sox aren't the Florida Marlins or the Twins. This is another big baseball market with deep pockets. They wanted A-Rod first, and were willing to trade the kitchen sink to get him, so lets not line this team up for sainthood quite yet....

[glowbelly]

yankess payroll: 180,322,403 (2003)
red sox payroll: 104,873,607 (2003)

difference: 75,448,796

which is more than the total payroll for 14 major league teams (again, in 2003).

i don't see how anyone can see this as fair, or as the two teams being on the same level financially.

boston was willing to TRADE to get a-rod, but would have had to lower his salary and therefore the trade was blocked. new york bought him, plain and simple.

so, go red sox. break the curse, along with the idea that a team can't come back from being 3 games behind.

[glowbelly]

sorry if this ends up as a double post, but i used 2003 numbers because that's all i could find at first. i looked up 2004 numbers, and while the red sox's payroll is significantly higher than last years, the yankees is also higher and still 31% bigger than the sox.

also, the two national league teams in the playoffs? their payrolls are less than HALF of what the yankees payroll is.

[El Blanco]

That merely proves what a role team chemistry plays.

I can name plenty of teams that throw money at players and can't win.

Also, the owner of the Marlins is actually much richer than the owner of the Yankees.

Its not so much that teams like the Yankthese and Red Sucks have more money, its that they are more willing to spend it.

And the A-Rod trade was blocked by the MLB Player's Union.

[glowbelly]

team chemistry my ass

when the average salary per player on your team is 6.3 million dollars a year (with one guy on each team making 22 million a year), it's not about team chemistry anymore.

there are only 2 teams whose salaries are significantly above 100,000,000. those two teams are playing tonight.

i'm just rooting for the underdog. i have to. i'm from cleveland.

[El Blanco]

I think the Marlins and Angels have proven you wrong.

And if you look at the Yankees during their World Series run, you'll notice that their core players either joined the Yankees when they were young, or came up through the Yankee farm system.

Team chemistry is huge.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Originally Posted by glowbelly

boston was willing to TRADE to get a-rod, but would have had to lower his salary and therefore the trade was blocked. new york bought him, plain and simple.

You should look up the name Alfonso Soriano.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

And fuck the mother fucking red sox.

[glowbelly]

i'm well aware of soriano going to texas. thankee very mooch.

my point is boston couldn't afford, or perhaps wasn't willing to dish out, the dough for a-rod. the yankess could and did.

the marlins? don't talk to me about them

in 1997 they beat the indians in the world series and then came in DEAD LAST in the national league the VERY NEXT YEAR. why? because they had to cut their payroll, which if i'm not mistaken, was one of the highest in baseball at the time.

of course i rooted for them in 2003

again, the underdog thing.

[El Blanco]

my point is boston couldn't afford, or perhaps wasn't willing to dish out, the dough for a-rod. the yankess could and did.

Willing. Boston wasn't willing. Most of the owners in MLB were capable of signing him.

When he mentioned paycut, the player's union stepped in.

And the yankees had WS titles well before salaries got out of hand. Going back to the days when players were indentured servants.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Calling the Red Sox "the underdog" is like calling Joe Frazier "the underdog." Again, Boston is a big market team, and if they close it out tonight, they'll have done it with purchased talent (Curt Schilling, Pedro Martinez, Manny Ramirez, etc.). This isn't some sand lot team, this is cash money millionares.

[glowbelly]

hon, it's really cute for you to think that the only reason the yankees win is because they have great team chemistry, but i'm inclined to think that if they cut everyone's salary in half, none of them would stay and the team would suck.

just my opinion, of course.

as for the willing vs. able part, i don't know. a-rod's contract is HUGE. that's a lot of risk to take on one player and they probably thought that they had already taken that risk by STEALING MANNY RAMIREZ FROM CLEVELAND

thanks for the conversation, though. i forgot just how much i like baseball.

[glowbelly]

kev, i'm not saying that the sox are exempt from the moolah thing...i KNOW that they have the second highest payroll in baseball. i KNOW manny ramirez makes more dough than a-rod does. i'm just saying that it's naive to think that payrolls don't play a role in the success of a baseball team.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Look at the core of every Yankees team that has won it over the last few years. The Yankees mastered the balance of homegrown talent and purchased power. Granted, THIS particular team is the furthest from that formula, but the fact that they're about to lose in the ALCS, if anything, proves you wrong.

[glowbelly]

ps again (FUCKING EDIT):

the red sox ARE the underdogs tonight. not because they have a smaller payroll, but because they were down 3 games to none. no team has ever come back to win before and the sox are 1.5 innings away from making that happen.

[sspadowsky]

I'd like to state for the record that I glowbelly. The fact that someone, ANYONE, on this board besides myself, let alone a woman (it's hard enough to find 'em on the intarweb, let alone talking about sports), will speak about baseball with passion and intelligence, is a nice feeling.

The argument for the payroll could go either way, but, most of the time, it is the really big spenders that get to the big prize. And I love when the big spenders lose to the underdogs. While the BoSox may not be considered underdogs under ordinary circumstances, they are by virtue of being down 3-0 and coming back to beat the shit out of the Yankees. In game 7. At Yankee Stadium.

Go Cardinals, Go Sox. The WS is gonna be a hell of a showdown.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

The Giants are at least 4-1.