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Old Feb 6th, 2003, 11:31 AM        The consequences of pre-emption
The new US global foreign policy claiming the right of pre-emption is already yielding dire consequences.

When W. listed N. Korea as part of the axis of Evil and then went on to actively pursue 'regime change' in another point on the 'Axis', N. Korea assumes we are threatening them.

As it watches our build up on Iraqs borders, it os clear that our threats are not 'blackmail', we are quite serious.

Under the new global status quo, introduced by the worlds last superpower, the USA, North Korea no longer needs to wait for wait for a 'smoking gun' that might turn out to be a 'mushroom' cloud. They can (and under our doctrine would be justified) to strike first.

This is indeed what they are saying as of this morning.

For those of you reading who lack an irony gene, I'm not suggesting that they should do this, or they have a right to. They do not. I am suggesting that perhaps no one has a right to strike first for something they assume will take place.
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Old Feb 6th, 2003, 12:57 PM       
i think the problem is that Iraq is not preemptive. or at least not really. as a condition of the cease fire of the gulf war they were to disarm. the war was never declared over, just halted for awhile to give them the opportunity to clean themselves up.

they have been given many chances, and continously avoided doing so. The evidence presented by Powell was enough to convince me that they are violating their obligations under the cease fire.

they lost a war with us for goodness sake. we took nothing from them. no land (except the no fly zones to protect the kurds, and Iraq's neighbors), no change in government, and they are now forcing our hand.

we should have finnished this 12 years ago. but i share your fears max, i really do.
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Old Feb 6th, 2003, 12:59 PM       
I agree, Oh curious one. Only with you, not Burbank.
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Old Feb 6th, 2003, 01:30 PM       
well then i have no choice but to change my mind.

when confronted with agreement from someone dumber that those weird dog maxi pads they sell, i try to run the other way as fast as possible.

plus you are leaking uterine blood everywhere.
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Old Feb 6th, 2003, 02:08 PM       
Oh, a gutless waffler. Just go beat off that dude in the yellow hat.
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Old Feb 6th, 2003, 02:21 PM       
That's a mature reponse to make.
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Old Feb 6th, 2003, 02:24 PM       
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Old Feb 6th, 2003, 02:26 PM       
Know what else it was not? Even marginally amusing.
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Old Feb 6th, 2003, 02:31 PM       
Please leave me alone. I don't like you. I like Protoclown. OK???
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Old Feb 6th, 2003, 02:32 PM       
He doesn't like you. Know how I know? No one likes you. Ask your friends.
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Old Feb 6th, 2003, 02:34 PM       
I don't have any friends, but you do. You have more friends than anyone else, ever!!!

P.S. I still don't like you...just proto.
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Old Feb 6th, 2003, 02:43 PM       
wow. good thing your mysterious. otherwise you'd just be a lugnut.
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Old Feb 6th, 2003, 03:02 PM       
you say just a lug nut like he is not just a lug nut.
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Old Feb 6th, 2003, 03:24 PM       
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Old Feb 6th, 2003, 03:29 PM       
well i gotta agree with you burbank..
and go way passed ya.. "Pre-emptive" attacks are an incredible mistake. this concept is really spooky to me.. what's to stop other countries from following our lead? the whole concept is fatally flawed, even if we weren't the ones selling the most weapons of mass destruction in the world.. we are the leading supplier of depleted uranium weapons as well.. sounds like we are setting up to pre-emptively attack everybody that doesnt want american business dictating to them.

the concept also leads me to think the military industrial complex is purposefully escalating violence to make a buck.

it doesnt seem to lead anywhere but rule by gunpoint

oops there it is:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/arti...889679,00.html

N Korea threatens US with first strike
Pyongyang asserts right to pre-emptive attack as tensions rise over American build-up

Jonathan Watts in Pyongyang
Thursday February 6, 2003
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North Korea is entitled to launch a pre-emptive strike against the US rather than wait until the American military have finished with Iraq, the North's foreign ministry told the Guardian yesterday.
Warning that the current nuclear crisis is worse than that in 1994, when the peninsula stood on the brink of oblivion, a ministry spokesman called on Britain to use its influence with Washington to avert war.

"The United States says that after Iraq, we are next", said the deputy director Ri Pyong-gap, "but we have our own countermeasures. Pre-emptive attacks are not the exclusive right of the US."

His comments came on a day when tension was apparent in Pyongyang, with an air-raid drill that cleared the city's streets and the North's announcement that it has begun full-scale operations at the Yongbyon nuclear plant, the suspected site of weapons-grade plutonium production.

Since reopening the plant in December, the North has kicked out international inspectors and withdrawn from the global treaty to stop the spread of nuclear weapons.

Anxiety in North Korea has been rising since Washington announced plans in the past week to beef up its military strength in the area. Additional bombers will be sent to the region, along with 2,000 extra troops who will serve alongside the 17,000 already stationed on the North-South border. USS Carl Vinson may also be deployed.

According to Pyongyang, the USS Kitty Hawk has already taken up strike position in waters off the peninsula. The US says that reinforcements are needed to warn Pyongyang that it should not try to take advantage of Washington's focus on Iraq.

North Korean officials fear the extra forces are the start of the build-up for a full-scale confrontation - a dangerous assumption that could push the peninsula over the edge.

During the last crisis, when the Pentagon planned a surgical strike on the Yongbyon nuclear plant, American generals were convinced that the North would rather launch a surprise attack than wait for a US military build-up.

Mr Ri said today's stand-off is more dangerous: "The present situation can be called graver than it was in 1993. It will be touch and go."

The crisis erupted in October when a US envoy to Pyongyang confronted the regime with suspicions that North Korea was engaged in a uranium enrichment programme, in violation of the 1994 agreement which ended the last crisis.

To punish the North, the US cut off supplies of 500,000 tonnes a year of heavy fuel oil, a severe blow to a nation that is desperately short of energy. The north of the country is worst hit but power shortages are apparent even in the capital, where temperatures have fallen as low as -21C recently.

The North claims that the Yongbyon nuclear plant is being used for peaceful purposes. "The US stopped our oil so our country faces a critical shortage of electricity," Mr Ri said. "Our nuclear activities will be confined only to producing electricity."

Both sides say they are committed to finding a diplomatic solution but remain far apart in their demands. Pyongyang wants a non-aggression treaty but Washington has said it will not reward blackmail and has hinted only at a written guarantee of the North's security.

Concern about the crisis has prompted South Korea and Japan to pressure the US to take a softer line. In a sign that this may be working, the US deputy secretary of state, Richard Armitage said for the first time yesterday that the US would definitely hold direct talks with the North. "It is just a question of when we do it and how," he told the Senate.

A breakthrough stills looks distant. The European Union plans to send a high-level delegation to North Korea later this month to mediate, but similar envoys from Russia and South Korea achieved little because the North insists that the issue is a bilateral matter with the US.

The North has shown a willingness to open up to other na tions. In an important development, a new road link to South Korea was used for the first time yesterday.

But the North know that the nuclear issue stands in the way of progress, prompting a request that Britain intercede. "The US must sign a non-aggression treaty," Mr Li said.

"I hope that Britain can help to persuade them to do so."

ยท Japan may deploy two destroyers near North Korea to detect missile launches, the Kyodo news agency reported on yesterday. Quoting unspecified government sources, it said Tokyo believes it increasingly likely that ballistic missiles will be test-fired as part of the North's brinkmanship.
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Old Feb 6th, 2003, 04:51 PM       
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