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Old Aug 21st, 2010, 12:04 AM       
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If there is any significant danger from fluoride, you would definitely find it in these journals:

http://www.nature.com/nature/index.html
http://www.sciencemag.org/

If you can't find it in either of those, it probably isn't reputable.
Relying on only two sources is not too smart in a world with endless possibilities.

Anyway, Lets get back on topic here.

EPA unions, representing 7,000 plus environmental and public health professionals of the Civil Service have called for a moratorium on drinking water fluoridation programs across the country, and have asked EPA management to recognize fluoride as posing a serious risk of causing cancer in people.

Hmmm, this maybe somewhat important?
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Old Aug 21st, 2010, 12:19 AM       
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Relying on only two sources is not too smart in a world with endless possibilities.
Yes, better to rely on none and make up your own facts.

One day left, Coolie. You gonna make any effort at all to post a valid citation?
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Old Aug 21st, 2010, 12:34 AM       
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Relying on only two sources is not too smart in a world with endless possibilities.
Scientific journals themselves aren't the sources, it's the articles that are in them. Did you even finish high school? You're a lost cause.
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Old Aug 21st, 2010, 03:09 AM       
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Hmmm, this maybe somewhat important?
Nowhere near as important as this:

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POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS
and:

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POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS
can't forget this:

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POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS
or this:

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POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS
this too:

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POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS
what about this:

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POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS
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The dangers of sodium fluoride is nothing compared to the utter evilness of dihydrogen monoxide anyways.
http://www.dhmo.org/
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EPA unions, representing 7,000 plus environmental and public health professionals of the Civil Service have called for a moratorium on drinking water fluoridation programs across the country, and have asked EPA management to recognize fluoride as posing a serious risk of causing cancer in people.

Ah, you're talking biology or public health?

Maybe you could check these two peer-reviewed journals.

www.pnas.org

www.nejm.org

Search these links. You might even find a bibliography or two.
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Ah, you're talking biology or public health?

Maybe you could check these two peer-reviewed journals.

www.pnas.org

www.nejm.org

Search these links. You might even find a bibliography or two.

Did you read the first article? I'm with the EPA unions. Lower the Sodium Fluoride level to 0.


I. FLUORIDE & THE BRAIN (back to top) Fluoride & Learning/Behavior:
Bhatnagar M, et al. (2002). Neurotoxicity of fluoride: neurodegeneration in hippocampus of female mice. Indian Journal of Experimental Biology 40: 546-54. (See abstract)
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Lu Y, et al (2000). Effect of high-fluoride water on intelligence of children. Fluoride 33:74-78. (See abstract | See study )
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Mullenix P, et al. (1995).Neurotoxicity of sodium fluoride in rats. Neurotoxicology and Teratology 17:169-177. (See abstract | See editorial discussing this study)
National Research Council. (2006). Neurotoxicity and Neurobehavioral Effects. In: Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards. National Academies Press, Washington D.C. (See chapter)
Paul V, et al. (1998). Effects of sodium fluoride on locomotor behavior and a few biochemical parameters in rats. Environmental Toxicology and Pharmacology 6: 187–191. (See abstract)
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Zhao LB, et al (1996). Effect of high-fluoride water supply on children's intelligence. Fluoride 29: 190-192. (See abstract)
Fluoride-Induced Damage to Brain (back to top)
Bhatnagar M, et al. (2002). Neurotoxicity of fluoride: neurodegeneration in hippocampus of female mice. Indian Journal of Experimental Biology 40: 546-54. (See abstract)
Bhatnagar M, et al. (2006). Biochemical changes in brain and other tissues of young adult female mice from fluoride in their drinking water. Fluoride 39:280-284. (See study)
Chen J, et al. (2003). Selective decreases of nicotinic acetylcholine receptors in PC12 cells exposed to fluoride. Toxicology 183(1-3):235-42. (See abstract)
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Chen J, et al. (2002). Selective decreases of nicotinic acetylcholine receptors in PC12 cells exposed to fluoride. Toxicology 183(1-3):235-42. (See abstract)
Chinoy NJ, et al. (2004). Biochemical effects of sodium fluoride and arsenic trioxide toxicity and their reversal in the brain of mice. Fluoride 37: 80-87. (See abstract)
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Eisenbrandt DL, Nitschke KD. (1989). Inhalation toxicity of sulfuryl fluoride in rats and rabbits. Fundamentals of Applied Toxicology 1989 Apr;12(3):540-57. (See abstract)
Ge Y, et al. (2005). Effects of high fluoride and low iodine on brain histopathology in offspring rats. Fluoride 38: 127-132.
Ge Y, et al. (2006). Apoptosis in brain cells of offspring rats exposed to high fluoride and low iodine. Fluoride 39:173-178. (See study)
Guan ZZ, et al (1998). Influence of chronic fluorosis on membrane lipids in rat brain. Neurotoxicology and Teratology 20: 537-542. (See abstract)
Janiszewska G, et al. (1984). Effect of certain agents on subcellular cAMP level in different areas of rat brain. Acta Physiologica Polonica 35(3):199-206. (See abstract)
Kay AR, et al. (1986). Intracellular fluoride alters the kinetic properties of calcium currents facilitating the investigation of synaptic events in hippocampal neurons. Journal of Neuroscience 6(10):2915-20. (See abstract)
Lakshmi Vani M, Pratap Reddy K. (2000). Effects of fluoride accumulation on some enzymes of brain and gastrocnemius muscle of mice. Fluoride 33: 17-26. (See abstract)
Liu WX. (1989). [Experimental study of behavior and cerebral morphology of rat pups generated by fluorotic female rat] Zhonghua Bing Li Xue Za Zhi. 18(4):290-2. (See abstract)
Long YG, et al. (2002). Chronic fluoride toxicity decreases the number of nicotinic acetylcholine receptors in rat brain. Neurotoxicology and Teratology 24(6):751-7. (See abstract)
Lu XH, et al. (2000). Study of the mechanism of neurone apoptosis in rats from the chronic fluorosis. Chinese Journal of Epidemiology 19: 96-98. (See abstract)
National Research Council. (2006). Neurotoxicity and Neurobehavioral Effects. In: Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards. National Academies Press, Washington D.C. (See chapter)
Sarri E, Claro E. (1999). Fluoride-induced depletion of polyphosphoinositides in rat brain cortical slices: a rationale for the inhibitory effects on phospholipase C. International Journal of Developmental Neuroscience 17(4):357-67. (See abstract)
Shah SD, Chinoy NJ. (2004). Adverse effects of fluoride and/or arsenic on the cerebral hemisphere of mice and recovery by some antidotes. Fluoride 37: 162-171. (See abstract)
Shan KR, et al. (2004). Decreased nicotinic receptors in PC12 cells and rat brains influenced by fluoride toxicity-a mechanism relating to a damage at the level in post-transcription of the receptor genes. Toxicology 200: 169-77. (See abstract)
Shao Q, et al. (2000). [Influence of free radical inducer on the level of oxidative stress in brain of rats with fluorosis]. Zhonghua Yu Fang Yi Xue Za Zhi 34(6):330-2. (See abstract)
Shashi A. (2003). Histopathological investigation of fluoride-induced neurotoxicity in rabbits. Fluoride 36: 95-105. (See abstract)
Shashi A, et al. (1994). Effect of long-term administration of fluoride on levels of protein, free amino acids and RNA in rabbit brain. Fluoride 27: 155-159. (See abstract)
Shashi A. (1992). Studies on alterations in brain lipid metabolism following experimental fluorosis. Fluoride 25(2):77-84. (See abstract)
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Shivarajashankara YM , et al. (2002). Histological changes in the brain of young fluoride-intoxicated rats. Fluoride 35(1): 12-21. (See study)
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Trabelsi M, et al. (2001). Effect of fluoride on thyroid function and cerebellar development in mice. Fluoride 34: 165-173. (See study)
Varner JA, et al. (1998). Chronic administration of aluminum-fluoride and sodium-fluoride to rats in drinking water: alterations in neuronal and cerebrovascular integrity. Brain Research 784: 284-298. (See abstract | See condensed version of study | See media report)
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Wang Y, et al. (1997). [Changes of coenzyme Q content in brain tissues of rats with fluorosis]. Zhonghua Yu Fang Yi Xue Za Zhi. 31: 330-3. (See abstract)
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XIX. SYSTEMIC FLUORIDE NEVER APPROVED BY FDA (back to top)
Food & Drug Administration. (2000). Letter from Melinda K. Plaisier, Associate Commissioner for Legislation, FDA, to Congressman Ken Calvert. Dec 21, 2000. (See letter)
Kelly JV. (2000). Letter to Senator Robert Smith, Chairman of Environment and Public Works Committee, U.S. Senate, August 14, 2000. (See letter)

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IV. FLUORIDE & BONE (back to top) Endemic fluorosis(back to top)
Azar HA, et al. (1961). Skeletal fluorosis due to chronic fluoride intoxication. Annals of Internal Medicine 55:193-200.
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Fluoride & Bone Fracture: Human Clinical Trials (back to top)
Bayley TA, et al. (1990). Fluoride-induced fractures: relation to osteogenic effect. Journal of Bone and Mineral Research 5(Suppl 1):S217-22. (See abstract)
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Orcel P, et al. (1990). Stress fractures of the lower limbs in osteoporotic patients treated with fluoride. Journal of Bone and Mineral Research 5(Suppl 1): S191-4. (See abstract)
Orcel P, et al. (1987). [Spontaneous fissures and fractures of the legs in patients with osteoporosis treated with sodium fluoride]. Presse Med. 16: 571-5. (See abstract)
Pak CY, et al. (1996). Comparison of nonrandomized trials with slow-release sodium fluoride with a randomized placebo-controlled trial in postmenopausal osteoporosis. Journal of Bone and Mineral Research 11(2):160-8. (See abstract)
Pak CY, et al. (1995). Treatment of postmenopausal osteoporosis with slow-release sodium fluoride. Final report of a randomized controlled trial. Annals of Internal Medicine 123: 401-8. (See abstract)
Riggs BL, et al. (1990). Effect of Fluoride treatment on the Fracture Rates in Postmenopausal Women with Osteoporosis. New England Journal of Medicine 322:802-809. (See abstract)
Rubin CD, et al. (2001). Sustained-release sodium fluoride in the treatment of the elderly with established osteoporosis. Archives of Internal Medicine 161(19):2325-33. (See abstract)
Schnitzler CM, et al. (1990). Bone fragility of the peripheral skeleton during fluoride therapy for osteoporosis. Clinical Orthopaedics (261):268-75. (See abstract)
Schnitzler CM, Solomon L. (1985). Trabecular stress fractures during fluoride therapy for osteoporosis. Skeletal Radioliology 14(4):276-9. (See abstract)
Fluoride & Bone Fracture: Epidemiological Studies (back to top)
Studies reporting association between fluoridated water (< 1.2 ppm fluoride) & hip fracture.(back to top)
a) Cooper C, et al. (1990). Water fluoride concentration and fracture of the proximal femur. Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health 44: 17-19.
b) Cooper C, et al. (1991). Water fluoridation and hip fracture. Letter. Journal of the American Medical Association 266: 513-514. (A reanalysis of data presented in 1990 paper). (See letter)
Danielson C, et al. (1992). Hip fractures and fluoridation in Utah's elderly population. Journal of the American Medical Association 268(6): 746-748. (See abstract)
Hegmann KT, et al. (2000). The effects of fluoridation on degenerative joint disease (DJD) and hip Fractures. Abstract # 71 of the 33rd annual meeting of the Society for Epidemiological Research. American Journal of Epidemiology S18. (See abstract).
Jacobsen SJ, et al. (1992). The association between water fluoridation and hip fracture among white women and men aged 65 years and older; a national ecologic study. Annals of Epidemiology 2: 617-626. (See abstract)
Jacobsen SJ, et al. (1990). Regional variation in the incidence of hip fracture: US white women aged 65 years and olders. Journal of the American Medical Association 264(4): 500-2. (See excerpt)
a) Jacqmin-Gadda H, et al. (1995). Fluorine concentration in drinking water and fractures in the elderly. Journal of the American Medical Association 273: 775-776 (letter). (See letter)
b) Jacqmin-Gadda H, et al. (1998). Risk factors for fractures in the elderly. Epidemiology 9(4): 417-423. (An elaboration of the 1995 study referred to in the JAMA letter). (See abstract)
Keller C. (1991) Fluorides in drinking water. Unpublished results. Discussed in: Gordon SL, Corbin SB. (1992). Summary of Workshop on Drinking Water Fluoride Influence on Hip Fracture on Bone Health. Osteoporosis International 2: 109-117. (See excerpt)
Kurttio PN, et al. (1999). Exposure to natural fluoride in well water and hip fracture: A cohort analysis in Finland. American Journal of Epidemiology 150(8): 817-824.(See abstract)
May DS, Wilson MG. (1992). Hip fractures in relation to water fluoridation: an ecologic analysis. Unpublished results. Discussed in: Gordon SL, Corbin SB. (1992). Summary of Workshop on Drinking Water Fluoride Influence on Hip Fracture on Bone Health. Osteoporosis International 2: 109-117. (See excerpt)
Suarez-Almazor M, et al. (1993). The fluoridation of drinking water and hip fracture hospitalization rates in two Canadian communities. American Journal of Public Health 83: 689-693. (See abstract)
The authors of this study conclude there is no association between fluoridation and hip fracture. However, their own data reveals a significant increase in hip fracture for men living in the fluoridated area. According to the study, "although a statistically significant increase in the risk of hip fracture was observed among Edmonton men, this increase was relatively small (RR=1.12)."
b) Studies investigating association between water-fluoride levels higher than fluoridated water (2 to 5 ppm) & bone/hip fracture.(back to top)
Alarcon-Herrera MT, et al. (2001). Well Water Fluoride, Dental fluorosis, Bone Fractures in the Guadiana Valley of Mexico. Fluoride 34(2): 139-149. (See study)
Li Y, et al. (2001). Effect of long-term exposure to fluoride in drinking water on risks of bone fractures. Journal of Bone and Mineral Research 16(5):932-9. (See abstract)
Sowers MR, et al. (1986). The relationship of bone mass and fracture history to fluoride and calcium intake: a study of three communities. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 44:889-98. (See abstract)
Sowers M, et al. (1991). A prospective study of bone mineral content and fracture in communities with differential fluoride exposure. American Journal of Epidemiology 133: 649-660. (See abstract)
Sowers M, et al.(2005) Elevated serum fluoride concentrations in women are not related to fractures and bone mineral density. Journal of Nutrition 135:2247-52. (See abstract)
c) Studies reporting no association, or a negative association, between fluoridated water & hip fracture.(back to top)
(Note that in 3 of these 9 studies, an association was found between fluoride and some form of fracture - i.e. distal forearm. See notes and quotes below.)
Arnala I, et al. (1986). Hip fracture incidence not affected by fluoridation. Osteofluorosis studied in Finland. Acta Orthopaedica Scandinavica 57: 344-348. (See abstract)
Cauley J. et al. (1995). Effects of fluoridated drinking water on bone mass and fractures: the study of osteoporotic fractures. Journal of Bone and Mineral Research 10(7): 1076-86. (See abstract)
Feskanich D, et al. (1998). Use of toenail fluoride levels as an indicator for the risk of hip and forearm fractures in women. Epidemiology 9(4): 412-6.(See abstract)
While this study didn't find an association between water fluoride and hip fracture, it did find an association - albeit non-significant 1.6 (0.8-3.1) - between fluoride exposure and elevated rates of forearm fracture.
Hillier S, et al. (2000). Fluoride in drinking water and risk of hip fracture in the UK: a case control study. The Lancet 335: 265-2690. (See abstract)
Jacobsen SJ, et al. (1993). Hip fracture incidence before and after the fluoridation of the public water supply, Rochester, Minnesota. American Journal of Public Health 83: 743-745. (See abstract)
Karagas MR, et al. (1996). Patterns of fracture among the United States elderly: Geographic and fluoride effects. Annals of Epidemiology 6 (3): 209-216. (See abstract | See critique of study)
As with Feskanich (1998) this study didn't find an association between fluoridation & hip fracture, but it did find an association between fluoridation and distal forearm fracture, as well as proximal humerus fracture. "Independent of geographic effects, men in fluoridated areas had modestly higher rates of fractures of the distal forearm and proximal humerus than did men in nonfluoridated areas."
Lehmann R, et al. (1998). Drinking water fluoridation: Bone mineral density and hip fracture incidence. Bone 22: 273-278. (See abstract)
Madans J, et al. (1983). The relationship between hip fracture and water fluoridation: an analysis of national data. American Journal of Public Health 73: 296-298. (See abstract)
Phipps KR, et al. (2000). Community water fluoridation, bone mineral density and fractures: prospective study of effects in older women. British Medical Journal 321: 860-4. (See abstract | See Study | See BMJ letter responding to study| See critique of study )
This study reported a decreased incidence of hip fracture in fluoridated areas. However, as with Feskanich (1998) and Karagas (1996), the study also found an association between fluoridation and other types of fracture - in this case, wrist fracture. "There was a non-significant trend toward an increased risk of wrist fracture."
See also:
Bernstein DS, et al. (1966). Prevalence of osteoporosis in high- and low-fluoride areas in North Dakota. Journal of the American Medical Association 198: 499-504. (See abstract & critique)
Lee JR. (1993). Fluoridation & hip fracture. Fluoride 26(4): 274-277. (See paper)
National Research Council. (2006). Musculoskeletal Effects. In: Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards. National Academies Press, Washington D.C. (See chapter)
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Well, for one thing Coolie, I clicked on a couple of the abstracts for those and they dealt with high concentrations of fluoride. One was even about problems in India where ". . . Presence of abnormal concentrations of trace elements like strontium, uranium, silica in water supplies, high fluoride levels in foods. . . ." was found. That's not really about the well regulated fluoridation of the US's tap water.

For another thing you're just spamming the thread with a giant bibliography for a argument that you have yet to articulate.
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If you're going to copy and paste an entire bibliography, which are the citings of the sources and the not the sources themselves, then either you're not taking this seriously or you really are just not smart enough to make such erroneous claims and actually back them up with real evidence. You probably didn't even read any of it, or you just like the science-y sounding titles, right?

I am not going to sift through a list of 200 articles to find one that backs up your argument. This is your job. This is your ban to avoid, if you truly want to avoid it. Do it for Dimnos, he's the only one upset about this situation you're in!

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Coolie, I read all of those articles. Each and every one of them. Not one of them backs up what you're saying.

Don't believe me? Then post the specific statements from at least one showing that sodium fluoride, even in minute amounts, is deadly.
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I found it amusing that in all his bibliographies, all his research, and all his Google hits, any scientific work that was cited - not read or understood, but cited through someone else's work - was at a minimum 5 years old. This EPA thing he keeps going on about is 5 years old. So Bush had just won term #2 - where's the hue and cry? If there was a public health disaster brewing, why hasn't it been publicized in the 5 years since?

Perhaps because there isn't one? Perhaps because the work was done and the risk was assessed, and found to be negligible against the benefits of minute amounts of fluoride in drinking water?

No, everyone in politics, in the EPA and FDA, in the Water Treatment Industry and in the Toothpaste Industry is "in" on the "conspiracy". This makes sooo much more sense.

My final message to coolie - Keep using dirt to brush your teeth, and paying a premium price to do so. You're keeping "big Toothpaste" in business by doing so.
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Have you ever been to fucking school? You can source a hundred times to just one, just one, of those journals, and as long as they are separate papers they are considered separate sources. JESUS FUCK, you do know that the papers in science journals aren't written by the staff who run the journal right? I mean you have at least a tenuous grasp of the scientific process that even the most retarded college freshman has right? You must have, or else you wouldn't be linking to hundreds of papers you've never read right? To know if they are trustworthy? Right? Not just linked by truthers?

Up until now I've held back the insults, name calling, and character smears in the spirit of good sport. But now that you are gone coolie, I think it was high time I let a little out, since by now it is clear there is no hope for you. You crazy, rapist, truther, angsty, pedo, murdering, theiving, conspiracy theoris, paranoid, mother fucking racist.
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Tee hee hee.

I like how with his very last breath Coolie tries the "I WAS JUST TROLLING YOU!" tactic.

Funny while he lasted. What a moron though.
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