LET'S ARGUE ABOUT VIDEO GAMES

[Zomboid]

Dead Rising does look like ass, but I didn't buy a Wii to be an optical powerhouse. We ain't tryn'a marvel at supreme graphical technology or polygonal wizardry.

Of course you didn't. You bought it for gimmicks and shitty ports.

[bigtimecow]

seriously, if the n64 or snes was as far as games got for graphics i'd be satisfied

[Guitar Woman]

Sometimes I like a game to be pretty, though!

[bigtimecow]

oh definitely, it's fantastic if it's beautiful, but in a way, i would want my game to be beautiful if it's supposed to be something outside of reality

for instance, super mario galaxy. that game is beautiful, and it is depicting a fantasy world. like if call of duty looks pretty, meh, i can just look outside, you know?

i know it doesn't make sense, but it's what my current stream of thoughts is :(

[Guitar Woman]

My town is pretty, mabye you need to move somewhere less gray and brown.

[bigtimecow]

speaking of gray and brown, i see screens from fallout 3 and resistance 2 and can't tell the difference :lol

[Schimid]

Of course you didn't. You bought it for gimmicks and shitty ports.

Yeah, and you bought a $400 microphone meticulously designed from the ground up to call people faggots over the internet. They're like extensions of our personality!

Seriously though, cut the shit wise guy.

[Zomboid]

Sure! Enjoy your port of my microphone game!

[Guitar Woman]

Or I could just pirate the PC version so I don't have to aim with what is essentially a trackball mouse

[HickMan]

C'mon guys why can't we all just get along?

[MLE]

This is the THREAD for arguing so it doesn't happen in other threads.

[HickMan]

Yeah but we all know the xbox 360's superiority so it doesn't even matter :rolleyes

[liquidstatik]

PLAYSTATION :thumbsup

[Chojin]

Finally played a PEE ESS TRIPLE yesterday.

So far, I'm more impressed with it than I am with the 360. The menu is leaps and bounds better, and at least the first thing I see when turning it on isn't an advertisement for something I probably already own. The web browser is better than the Wii's, too.

Played Grid, Resistance, GTA IV, and Ratchet & Clank. Grid was excellent and in my opinion is king of the driving games out at the moment. Resistance I thought was really, really boring, and didn't seem to reward you with headshots or have anyone really flinch at all when shot. GTA IV looked the same as the 360 version, but seemed to have slowdown issues in segments where the 360 didn't. Ratchet & Clank was cute and felt like one of the Lego games, but didn't seem to have any rhyme or reason to what I was doing outside of the moment and I got bored of that too in short order - but excellent animations and graphics.

It still isn't worth the price of admission, but it met my astonishingly low expectations and exceeded them by something like 10%!

[Phoenix Gamma]

But Chojin, the PSTriple gets you bitches.

[Emu]

Lucas totally owns Ness in nearly every way and that upsets me. :(

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

Lucas totally owns Ness in nearly every way and that upsets me. :(


Ness has way quicker grabs, his bat is more powerful and swings faster, his up smash attack KA-POWS people as opposed to Lucas' going through them. I think the very end/tip of Lucas' up smash can KA-POW but most of the time he goes right through. Also Ness' PK fire can stun with a fire wall.

Ness Vs Lucas is just Power Vs Speed.

[bigtimecow]

and look at them in subspace, lucas is a little crying bitch >:

not to mention that all of lucas' taunts are half-ass retarded

but who do i like more? uhhh... i'm not sure. ness' aerials are better for big hits and lucas' aerials are better for racking up damage. ness' up and down smashes are kinda lame, but they're better than lucas' when it comes to speed.

i know you say power (ness) vs. speed (lucas), but lucas has power too, especially in his smashes.

OH GOD I DUNNO WHO TO CHOOSE :(

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

I wish Nintendo redid the online for Brawl. My connection is still terrible and no one plays I really know plays.

[Phoenix Gamma]

Ness is cooler because he's underrated. Also HOLY JESUS BACK AERIAL TO THE FACE OH GOD WHY DOES DOWN AERIAL SPIKE SO HARD?

Plus none of his taunts involves tripping over his own two feet. What the hell, Lucas? That's not taunting at all :(

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

I can't remember which Starstorm comes straight down and which ones comes down angular away from the char. Help?

Also, Ness with the bumblebee costume is amazing. I don't care for the alt costumes for Lucas.

[bigtimecow]

i think ness' starstorm goes faster, and less angled.

i always use lucas as claus :o

[Emu]

I always use Ness with the black Mr. Saturn tee. :shades

Also, Ness' is much faster, but angled, Lucas' goes straight down.

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

I liked the angled one a lot more on bigger stages but I usually run away from people before using it. If i use it right next to them no stars ever hit them.

Is Claus Lucas' brother? I still haven't played Mother 3.

[Phoenix Gamma]

Yea, he's his brother. Also, anagram.[/captainobvious]

Mother 3's translation is about 90% done, so we'll all be able to play it soon enough :D

[Zomboid]

3 more months or so, according to the site. Fucking hell, it's taking a long time.

[Phoenix Gamma]

I really wish they'd release, like, incremental versions or something so we have something to play, even if it isn't "tool tested" or edited for the third time or what have you.

Man, that server is going to crash so hard when it's finally released. Yay internet traffic!

[liquidstatik]

Yeah, I've been on the "its done!" mailing list foreeeeever, it needs to hurry. :'(

[Guitar Woman]

The translation is finished, they're bugchecking and shit and making a point to take as long as fucking possible doing it.

God, I hate these guys.

[bigtimecow]

to think i bought a gba flashcart i think 2 years ago so i could play this, but now i plan on playing it on my wii anyway :(

PG, they released a patch for the game that had all the menus translated, just none of the story. and there are translation guides online somewhere, so you could do that if you REALLY wanted :/

[Zomboid]

SPLATTERHOUSE 2 FOR THE VIRTUAL CONSOLE TODAY :O

[Guitar Woman]

I'll totally buy that after the WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE the first one gave me

Is Castlevania 3 out yet?

I've been holding out for that since I got my wii :(

[Babs]

so....


how about that new hip NES system, I heard they have a seal of quality so we know which games arn't shitty

[bigtimecow]

>: YOU'RE NOT FUNNY

[WhiteRat]

Sold my 360 and 8 games today for a quick cool 350 in cold hard American cash. Now the Dreamcast is center stage.

[Fathom Zero]

I trust Power Stone is big at your shack.

[WhiteRat]

ding ding ding! 40 bucks out of my pockets courtesy of ebay.

[MattJack]

:lol

GW seems to hate every game that is good or that is popular. He's like the elite scene kid, but with video games :sick

[Guitar Woman]

I hate every game I hate for a reason

[Guitar Woman]

usually it's that it sucks

[MattJack]

isn't that the case with anything in life, not just games? :lol

[Fathom Zero]

Dames, too, eh MJ?

[MattJack]

you hate MK, Diablo 2, Bioshock, Splatterhouse, Halo series, and GTA, but a soccer game with mario & friends is simply amazing

idk man

idk

[MattJack]

Dames, too, eh MJ?

you are suppose to not trust them and hate them by default >:


:(

[Fathom Zero]

I don't trust anybody, even my loved ones.

[MattJack]

that's a main ingredient to a successful life.

next question:

how long can you hold your breath under water?

[Fathom Zero]

40-aught seconds. I don't swim often.

But I know how to not sink!

[Guitar Woman]

Mortal Kombat is terrible, I've never said ANYTHING about Diablo 2 and am in fact downloading it as I type this because I want to try it out, Bioshock is a carbon copy of System Shock 2 where you can't die, I love Halo 1, tolerate Halo 2, and hate the third one, and I own and love GTA 2 through San Andreas.


Where did you get the idea that I hated GTA? Anyone who doesn't have fun speeding down a country highway on a hog trying to shoot down a helicoptor with a rocket launcher while Heart blares on the radio is incapable of enjoying anything.

[Fathom Zero]

'Hog'? You're really living the fantasy.

[Guitar Woman]

It's not just a motorcycle, bro.

[MattJack]

40-aught seconds. I don't swim often.

But I know how to not sink!

You won't make it. You need to only be able to hold your breath for 15 seconds before losing consciousness, or else you'll never survive marriage. Trust me.

Mortal Kombat is terrible, I've never said ANYTHING about Diablo 2 and am in fact downloading it as I type this because I want to try it out, Bioshock is a carbon copy of System Shock 2 where you can't die, I love Halo 1, tolerate Halo 2, and hate the third one, and I own and love GTA 2 through San Andreas.


Where did you get the idea that I hated GTA? Anyone who doesn't have fun speeding down a country highway on a hog trying to shoot down a helicoptor with a rocket launcher while Heart blares on the radio is incapable of enjoying anything.

MK is a classic and pushed the limits of what was acceptable for video game violence. DNT H8

With Diablo, weren't you bitching that it was just a click fest?

I never played SS2, so maybe you are right or have a point on Bioshock. Still, to me, it wouldn't negate Bioshock from being a bad game :\

I believe I have seen you make off hand comments about Halo 3 and GTA4, so I just assumed you hated the series. my b

[Guitar Woman]

Diablo 1, yeah. I've never played the second one and have been told by friends that the difference between the two is night and day. SO,


Also, I have horrible, nasty, bad things to say about GTA4's multiplayer, but the rest of it is pretty sweet.


You really owe it to yourself to play SS2, by the way, it's really good. And free.

[MattJack]

well GTA4's multiplayer is crap, but at the same time it's exactly what I've been wanting for years from GTA online: chaos. The most fun I have with the multiplayer is simply being in Free Mode with my pals. They will refine the multiplayer on the next GTA.

[Guitar Woman]

My main problem with it is the same with most Battlefield games in that the map is too fucking big so it takes me 12 minutes to finally encounter another person, and then when I do I'm in a terrible position to fight them and get my ass handed to me.

Not to mention the playerbase, and the fact that you can't have two people online from the same Xbox.

[Fathom Zero]

I love GTA's multiplayer. The only thing that could make it better is more players and an area the size of San Andreas.

[Guitar Woman]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/183-Prince-of-Persia-Retrospective

lol

[Fathom Zero]

Now that I'm done watching that I can go back to listening to Poundcake.

[bigtimecow]

ALRIGHT SO THIS TOPIC HAS BEEN DEAD FOR TOO LONG

hmm

[Guitar Woman]

I like how after complaining profusely about Diablo I got the urge to go play it again and then actually ended up enjoying it a fuckton

Mabye the game's just less shitty when you're using ranged weapons and light magic to take everything out?

It still would have been a lot better with a few homies backing me up.

[bigtimecow]

i loved the shit out of diablo II when i played it. i remember being a BOWAZON (omfg nerd word) and using something like, multi-shot, and it shot in like 6 directions. fucking awesome

and killing cows used to be the shizznit 8)

[Guitar Woman]

Oh, Diablo 1 is also still incredibly stupid and easy

By about level 9 of the dungeon I had stats like, "Immune to all magic 30%, 120% chance to hit, 140 life, +20 dexterity, +105% armor class"

[executioneer]

well it gets harder but unfortunately you gotta beat it once to unlock the harder difficulty if i remember ritgh

[bigtimecow]

yeah, atleast that's how d2 works

i remember the first time fighting diablo with friends online. there were war calls and battle music. it was EPIC

[Guitar Woman]

Level 12 was a little ridiculous, since every monster fires magical projectiles at a rate of like two per second and there are about 50000000 of them.

[MattJack]

Played my brother at Soul Caliber 4 last night on his PS3. He beat me twice, so the next round I changed up my tactics.

I looked him in the face, and then performed a Irish River Dance with my fingers on the controller. I beat him two times in a row.

:{

[MattJack]

PS

Darth Vader has the best grunts/noises in the game.

PPS

I kind of like playing with Darth Vader and secretly think it's cool they put him in there :(

[bigtimecow]

so i heard recently that the xbox 360 arcade is only going to bed $200. i was told i should buy one while they are cheap, just because. what are some games to make it worth it though? (not that owning a wii should make too much of a difference, but i also have a ps3)

oh, and what's the difference between the arcade version and any others?

[MetalMilitia]

The arcade doesn't have a hard drive, which is the main difference. I've heard that it's not worth getting the Arcade as you're basically guaranteed to need a hard drive sooner or later so you may as well just get a 20GB premium for $20 extra.

The wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360) also seems to suggest the Arcade does not support HD resolutions, but my guess is this can be remedied through a replacement cable (though the component cables cost about £30 -not sure how many dollars- so again it makes sense just to get a premium and have it included in the package).

[Zomboid]

What he said.

[JakeOfAllTrades]

I have somewhat of a pseudo-addiction to New Super Mario Bros. minigames, particularly the table games. Bloody Luigi screwed me over too many times, if I was playing for real money I would be broke, were it not for my resolve and ability to quit when I'm starting to lose then start again later with better AI chances.

I'm also considering if Final Fantasy Tactics A2 is worth while, and I've heard good things about it.

[Guitar Woman]

Final Fantasy Tactics is never worth anyone's time

[Phoenix Gamma]

I'm also considering if Final Fantasy Tactics A2 is worth while, and I've heard good things about it.

Have some bad things from someone who put in over 40 hours:

Story is useless, but the cutscenes are mandatory. Name your hero and clan the most insulting name you can think of, just so the cutscenes are more tolerable.

Combat's slow as hell, but it beats the shit out of the PSP remake of the first game (laaaaaaaaaaag). AI can be a real bastard too: if a weak ally makes a run for it, it's not rare for an enemy to run right around your clump of team members and go right for the weakling out of spite.

You need to grind a few hours in to beat a mission. In fact, you're expected to grind a lot in (even more) useless side missions if you ever hope to finish the story.

And lastly, the game still looks like a fucking GBA launch game. Not a single improvement at all. Let's not forget that the character design is the stupidest shit even concieved (the hero has high heels, some boot funnels, a pizza cutter sword, another sword, a book on his pants, and random circles of metal tucked away on his bellbottoms)

I liked the job system though :D

[Qwarx]

I'm also considering if Final Fantasy Tactics A2 is worth while, and I've heard good things about it.

It's a really good game. The law system isn't shit and a lot of the new jobs are pretty good. The only problems are that the accuracy system is sort of out of whack and the graphics haven't made that much of an improvement. I'd recommend it if you like strategy games and/or RPGs.

So what do you guys think about Super Mario RPG on the Wii's Virtual Console?

[Phoenix Gamma]

the first two Paper Marios were better, IMO.

[Neen]

The worst Mario RPG was Partners in Time, and that's not saying much as it's still a very enjoyable game.

[Qwarx]

the first two Paper Marios were better, IMO.

Yeah, the RPG's are better. Super Paper Mario was fun, but it was too easy and I beat it in less than a week.

Once I get another Wii Points card, I'll get Super Mario RPG to see what the fuss is about (I'm 100 points short of affording it right now. I knew I shouldn't've gotten Breath of Fire II:suicide).

[timrpgland]

Hey, BOF2 is good too. :(

[WhiteRat]

BOF2 was a good game but the translation was crap.

[timrpgland]

I can agree with that....


:arguefail

[Sam]

BREATH OF FIRE 3 MAKES BREATH OF FIRE 2 LOOK LIKE BREATH OF FIRE 1 LOOK LIKE BREATH OF FIRE DRAGON QUARTER

[Qwarx]

BOF2 was a good game but the translation was crap.

That and I wasn't really all that interested in it towards the beginning of the game. I had the port on the GBA and I loved it, but it just doesn't do it for me now.

Still, at least I didn't get any of those shitty WiiWare games (SPOG Racing, Pong Toss, etc.).

[foolfighter0010]

Any movie-to-game will suck....Except Goldeneye

[FernyElbowz]

Gears of War sucks ass nuts!!! it is so repetitive and has lame weapons...... part 2 looks no different...... note that i own a 360 AND Gears of War Limited Collectors Edition and a wii, and id much rather play super mario smash bros. anyday than GOW. :rock

[Girl Drink Drunk]

Wow, you spent the extra money on a GAME ONLY TO REALIZE THAT YOU HATED IT!?!?

[Emu]

I am trying desperately to love my Dreamcast but it is making it really fucking difficult

I can't understand the boner people have for this system. It's got some gems on it to be certain, but the very system itself seems hellbent on making these games as unenjoyable as possible. Shenmue, somehow, is genuinely interesting enough to keep me playing a while even if what I'm doing is just running around in a completely haphazard manner asking people about sailors in bars, but Jesus fuck my thumb feels like it's been stabbed with a thousand tiny needles after I'm finished playing. The d-pad is just abrasive for some damn reason. Same goes for Marvel vs. Capcom 1.

Of course, on the games that DO use the stick, the controller is so ridiculously large that I have to keep my thumb outstretched to move around. And I have big hands. :(

[Sam]

Maybe you should get some kind of thumb protector.

PUSSY.

[MattJack]

Gears of War sucks ass nuts!!! it is so repetitive and has lame weapons...... part 2 looks no different...... note that i own a 360 AND Gears of War Limited Collectors Edition and a wii, and id much rather play super mario smash bros. anyday than GOW. :rock

YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH B4 DADDY GETS MAD

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

BREATH OF FIRE 3 MAKES BREATH OF FIRE 2 LOOK LIKE BREATH OF FIRE 1 LOOK LIKE BREATH OF FIRE DRAGON QUARTER


DQ was the bomb! >:

[Guitar Woman]

Has anyone else noticed that Zero Punctuation is funnier if you turn the sound off? :(

[Emu]

nope

[wobzire]

Yeah, that guys hilarious.

[Guitar Woman]

Mostly it's when it's one you haven't seen yet

[wobzire]

I'm going to try that next time. I'll let you know.

[Guitar Woman]

I also think Yahtzee's way, way funnier in his site's articles than in his video reviews.

SILENT HILL SHOWDOWN (http://www.fullyramblomatic.com/features/silenthill/) is probably my favorite :<

[Guitar Woman]

Yahtzee seems to be trying harder and harder to piss off the people who watch his videos for legitimate opinions on games, now.

Mario Sunshine could be more enjoyable than 64 at a stretch, I guess, but how the hell does anyone think Twilight Princess is better than anything, Ocarina most profoundly?

That game is horrible. More than that, it's not even horrible in a ridiculous sense, it's just incredibly mediocre in everything but how pretty it looks when it isn't blinding me with criminal overuse of bloom effects.

Mabye it's just me and my firm belief that good games can't age beyond playability.

[wobzire]

He doesn't rate games he just insults them. It's his thing.

[Guitar Woman]

He's a little harsher than necessary, but I generally find myself agreeing with him about a lot of stuff.

Like how having enemies that explode when they die is "the most erect of dick moves."

Or how he finds fighting games frustrating because even after learning all the game's most intricate secrets, combos, and battle strategies, you can still be beaten by some retard mashing buttons on his controller.

Yahtzee has also never steered me wrong when actually reccomending good games. I'm seriously considering going out and paying for a legit copy of Condemned after pirating it. It's absolutely worth monies, which is something I don't say often about games.

[Phoenix Gamma]

Yahtzee seems to be trying harder and harder to piss off the people who watch his videos for legitimate opinions on games, now.

Mario Sunshine could be more enjoyable than 64 at a stretch, I guess, but how the hell does anyone think Twilight Princess is better than anything, Ocarina most profoundly?

That game is horrible. More than that, it's not even horrible in a ridiculous sense, it's just incredibly mediocre in everything but how pretty it looks when it isn't blinding me with criminal overuse of bloom effects.

Mabye it's just me and my firm belief that good games can't age beyond playability.

Eh. I can see how he liked Sunshine more than SM64. I know a lot of people like to bash on the ridiculous water pack thing, but I enjoyed it. I wish the town had more to explore: Peach's Castle was loaded with cool shit. The town was cool to leap around, and I totally looked for crazy parkour-esque stunts to pull off, but I wanted more from the hub. The level design was pretty fucking awesome, though. I loved the harbor and carnival stages.

Twilight Princess, in my opinion, is only "mediocre" because it doesn't do anything new. Imaginary scenario: if it came out at the same time as OoT, but TP had N64 graphics (but kept its gameplay, controls, etc.), which do you think would be more appealing? TP has more sophisticated controls all around, and since the dungeons and bosses are all copy-pasted from other Zeldas. If you play the newer game first, you'll probably enjoy the original less than if it were the other way around.

Personally, my favorite Zeldas are A Link to the Past and Majora's Mask. Link's Awakening and Winder Waker were fun too.

Oh fuck it, I love them all like the shameless fanboy I am.

TL;DR: you're allowed to like whatever you want <3

[Emu]

Or how he finds fighting games frustrating because even after learning all the game's most intricate secrets, combos, and battle strategies, you can still be beaten by some retard mashing buttons on his controller.

You ever seen Kung Fu Panda? That's how I describe that movie.

[Guitar Woman]

lol

[Guitar Woman]

I also love how Mario didn't take fall damage in Sunshine if you dove off cliffs. I spent a shit ton of time in the main area reenacting the opening scene of the Escaflowne movie. That's also how I beat the retarded firey goo stage; I'd just climb up on a big tree and dive to the center of the map.

There need to be more games that implement falling huge distances for some reason and not getting hurt. It looks cool. :<

[Phoenix Gamma]

I second that. Ever since games were 3D, we've had this stupid "die from falling too far" shit. If I wanted realism, I'd go outside >:

[wobzire]

Or they should go ultra realistic and have your ankles snap.

[Phoenix Gamma]

I would not play a game that physically punished me for sucking (http://www.painstation.de/new/index.html) :V

Then again, games are so piss-easy these days that it wouldn't matter.

[Guitar Woman]

http://pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF134-Game_System.gif

[wobzire]

I meant it would break your avatars' ankles. And you would have to drag yourself around by your hands on screen AND IT WAS A TERRIBLE IDEA FORGET IT!

[Guitar Woman]

That was a stupid, bad, terrible, awful, horrible idea in Deus Ex, and if it's ever used in any game ever again I will hunt down the dev team and murder them.

Do you know how FUCKING long it takes to complete a level with NO LEGS?

If the game had an autosave function, bullshit like that wouldn't be nearly as grating, but when that happened I realized that the last time I'd saved my game had been two hours ago. It's ridiculous that I have to remember to save every 2 minutes because the game loves arbitrarily killing or crippling me when I least expect it; what's more, whenever I get really immersed in the experience, I completely forget that I'm supposed to be recording my progress with the regularity of someone on an all-fiber diet. Any game as involving as Deus Ex needs to record progress on its own, since the player can and will forget to do so.

Christing fuck.

[Phoenix Gamma]

Eh. You could take MGS3's injury system and make it so that specific actions were hard/impossible to do with certain injuries. Like if your hands were burned from something, and oh fuck me there's a ladder I need to climb. Then you build the level so that the player has to take a longer way around or something.

But you know what? Beating a level without legs is easy. Rayman does it all the time.

[bigtimecow]

>: fuck you pg

[Dr. Boogie]

Deus Ex rant

You open your inventory and use a medkit on your legs.

[Guitar Woman]

I'm pretty sure only medbots can restore dead limbs.

That would make more sense, I think.

[executioneer]

it's been a while but i don't remember not being able to heal limbs that were damaged that far :/

[Dr. Boogie]

There's a good reason for that:

You could heal your dead limbs. Nanotech :(

[Guitar Woman]

Guys, Punchout Wii is coming out :hellyes

Among other, less awesome things. Sin and Punishment 2, also!

[Nick]

This would be good news, but my Wii has been collecting dust for the last 6 months.

[Guitar Woman]

Wait, so how is it not good news?

[Nick]

I'm not going to waste anymore money on the Wii. ffffffffffff

[BurntToShreds]

Yeah, I haven't played it since July.

[Guitar Woman]

I'd be playing it more if I had the 50 bucks to fork out for Okami.

Srs, full price for a port of a two year old game? You are BASTARDS, Capcom.

[Phoenix Gamma]

Psh. It's all about deBlob. I played the freeware version, then the awesome Wii version at my buddy's place. Shit's awesome. I'm totally buying it once I cash my paycheck.

[Girl Drink Drunk]

I'd be playing it more if I had the 50 bucks to fork out for Okami.

Srs, full price for a port of a two year old game? You are BASTARDS, Capcom.
But you can use the Wiimote to draw!

[Bejeebus]

Buying a Wii is like putting effort into a relationship that just isn't going to work out. You spend all that time in the persuit. "Hard to get" concept. Then when you finally get your hands on it, you realize how immature it really is. You slowly grow apart. Then it tried to lure you back in with ideas of the past (i.e. Punch out, Zelda). But you realize that you don't need it to enjoy those moments again (emulator) and the seperation continues until you don't even bother to turn her on anymore and in return, she doesn't make your little joystick vibrate. But no bother, because you have others that can get that done for you.

[Guitar Woman]

Yeah, for the most part, my Wii is just there to play games I can't on my computer.

It'd be a different story if people stopped releasing fucking shovelware for it and started making some actual games.

[Emu]

Buying a Wii is like putting effort into a relationship that just isn't going to work out. You spend all that time in the persuit. "Hard to get" concept. Then when you finally get your hands on it, you realize how immature it really is. You slowly grow apart. Then it tried to lure you back in with ideas of the past (i.e. Punch out, Zelda). But you realize that you don't need it to enjoy those moments again (emulator) and the seperation continues until you don't even bother to turn her on anymore and in return, she doesn't make your little joystick vibrate. But no bother, because you have others that can get that done for you.

Exactly this. I bought a Wii for Smash Bros. And possibly Metroid Prime and No More Heroes. But unless Nintendo releases a truckload of instant classics, I don't see myself buying more than 10 games for this thing over its lifespan.

Unless they release a Wii version of Rez. I would have to buy three copies because the first two would be ruined by me masturbating on them.

[OxBlood]

I always thought of the Wii as a light-console for light-gamers such as stressed daddies and their kids and wifes...friend of mine has one (although he is no daddy ;)) and all the thing does is collect dust.

Emu is right, there are simply no games for the thing and with Nintendo´s new credo "Let´s get all the people who don´t know a decent Videogame to buy our little console" I don´t think that will change anytime soon.

It doesn´t even make sense. Take Metroid Prime or No more Heroes. No "normal" Person would or even COULD play them. Too complicated and complex for their inaccurate normal-person-hands. So naturally Nintendo is not really interested in releasing anything else than these simple "look-you-can-whiggle-with-the-remote" games like Sports and stuff like that.

I see what they tried to do and aparently many people like that, but I prefer to play my Videogames with my eyes and my hands, while sitting perfectly still on my comfy gaming-chair.

[Zomboid]

So, why was everyone attacking me when I said all this stuff (over and over again) a long time ago?

[MetalMilitia]

I know right?

I blame guitar woman exclusively.

[Guitar Woman]

Because when you were talking shit about it there were things on the Wii we cared about

[Guitar Woman]

Besides, it's not really the console itself that's the problem, it's the fact that nobody knows what the fuck they're supposed to do with it.

[Dr. Boogie]

I had one briefly, but I wound up selling it because there were only a handful of games that I was interested in getting. It's been almost a year since, and there still aren't any new additions to that handful.

[Schimid]

I bought the Wii on future potential. I've kind of reverted to my PS2 library now, upgrading it and playing through stuff I missed while picking up Wii games on occasion. In my case it's not the Wii's fault I don't play it very often--I doubt I'd be playing the 360 or PS3 much either.

For me it's more that a lot of the stuff I love is dying out. Rhythm games without actual instruments are pretty rare now and platform games have almost dried up completely. The Banjo series is moving toward vehicular customization or some shit, the Sly Cooper series is terrible after the first game, the Jak trilogy is over now and Mario games coming out once every seven years. The R&C games are about the only ones left and I hear the new ones are dull as hell. I can play Fallout 3 on my PC and I'm not interested in the new direction the Silent Hill games are going.

The trend right now seems to be in first and third person shooters, games I've never really been all that excited about. Above all else, it seems like it's not that I'm necessarily bored with my Wii, I'm just bored with the industry. The only thing I'm truly excited for right now is the Pikmin makeover, what with the new game and the remake. Other than that, though...

[Trats12]

I haven't played the Wii in months. I'm tempted to sell it or trade it in towards a PS3.

[Guitar Woman]

One of these days the industry is going to crash horribly, and then from the rubble a post-apocalyptic society of indie developers will make new and interesting IPs that are about something other than gritty, heavily armored soldiers in gray and brown combat zones who throw grenades with the left trigger. Suda51 will be crowned the KING of this society.

That is my prophecy.

I also blame Halo for everything.

[Emu]

clearly

I wish Brawl had been released on the Gamecube minus the internet shit. I could really care less about it.

(I still want to fight you guys though. <3)

[Guitar Woman]

yeah, weren't we going to engage in climactic duels for honor and ladies

[Emu]

Tomorrow if you're up for it, bitch. >:

[Phoenix Gamma]

One of these days the industry is going to crash horribly, and then from the rubble a post-apocalyptic society of indie developers will make new and interesting IPs that are about something other than gritty, heavily armored soldiers in gray and brown combat zones who throw grenades with the left trigger. Suda51 will be crowned the KING of this society.

That is my prophecy.

I also blame Halo for everything.

Too bad Suda can't make good gameplay. Art shouldn't get in the way of fun.

Yes, I'm putting down Killer7 and No More Heroes.

[Guitar Woman]

YOU N*GGER

[Guitar Woman]

Also, what?

Killer7 had good enough gameplay, if a little off-beat, and the gameplay is the entire point of No More Heroes.

[Nick]

The gameplay in No More Heroes sucked. I only played it for the silly storyline.

[Phoenix Gamma]

What Nick said. I liked the overworld better when it was called GTA, and I liked the combat better when it was called "Every other button masher ever". If it wasn't for the silly story, everyone would either hate it or forget about it like all the other generic "press the A button to win" games.

Plus, I think you like anything anime, GW, so stuff like "S4 League is fun" or "Suda51 will be king" are things that I take with a grain of salt...

[Nick]

Suda's company makes some good games though. Contact for the DS was decent.

[Phoenix Gamma]

"Decent" doesn't get you the crown of video games, though :V

[Zomboid]

Oh fuck, go ahead and blame halo, gears of war, and the call of duty series for the wii having fuck all for games. The simple fact is, it's not a real gaming console. It's for nostalgia and people who aren't typical gamers.

[Phoenix Gamma]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/PGamma/maturegamer.jpg

brb 50 Cent Bulletproof. Talk about a real video game.

Videogames suck now. The colorful shit is stupid, the violent shit is stupid, and when's the last time you played a game that had new gameplay that wasn't copypasted from another game? The only one I can think of is Portal, and I accidentally beat it in a single sitting.

The industry will collapse, then a new console or handheld or something will be popular. That, or indie gaming might save us from the ocean of filth that comes out now. Nintendo will go the way of Atari and develop software for whatever the new console is, Sony and Microsoft will go back to their day jobs, and a new era will start, just like in the 80's.

[Zomboid]

MAYBE TAKING YOU OFF OF IGNORE WAS A MISTAKE

I like good games. Simple as that. I like shooters, but I don't limit myself to them. The 360 just has a lot of games that I enjoy. I'd play some computer games too if this thing were capable of running anything half decently.

[MetalMilitia]

Video games about shit celebrities suck. Plenty of innovative games are still being made for just about every platform going... with the possible exception of the Wii which only features re-makes and shovelware.

[MetalMilitia]

I'm going to pre-empt whatever stupid point Guitar Woman is going to make next by saying this year was the year of Portal, Team Fortress 2 and countless other fantastic games.

None of which needed a queer motion sensitive remote control to distract you from the underlying crap gameplay.

[Phoenix Gamma]

Name a PS3 or 360 game that fits that bill. Something innovative for either system, and bonus points if it's platform exclusive. Minus points for Orange Box games, since EA just took the PC version and shat them onto the consoles.

PC's the only platform that I'm seeing any real interesting stuff, and I need a huge paycheck to keep up with it all. I think we can all agree that PC games need to be compatible with more systems, yes?

[MetalMilitia]

See my above post. The Orange Box was available on both platforms.

Added: Minus points for editing your post.

[Tadao]

Powned

[Phoenix Gamma]

Edited my post after you posted that. Just console games, plz.

[Tadao]

Hey everybody, let's edit our posts to get around sounding like a retard!

I bet he says "Sue me, jerk."

[MetalMilitia]

Pfft, I said platform - the PC is a platform ergo I need make no such concessions.

Though I would mention Mass Effect which I still rate as one of the best games I've ever played.

[Phoenix Gamma]

I edited it just a few seconds after I posted it because I forgot to add something. Sue me, jerk.

[Tadao]

Ooops, I did the same thing. Crazy world we live in.

[Guitar Woman]

See my above post. The Orange Box was available on both platforms.

Yeah, but you had to have been a retard to purchase it for anything other than PC.

Why are you making it sound like I hate Portal and TF2? Best Valve games ever. TF2 is pretty much all I play anymore.

STALKER came out in 2007, too, didn't it? Despite the vanilla release being a massive, broken turd, Oblivion Lost mod makes it one of the most immersive and impressive things I've ever seen.

[Guitar Woman]

Also I never said anything on the Wii was innovative

The console itself is a neat idea, but nobody will take it seriously. An awesome game like deBlob or No More Heroes comes out for it every once in a while, but everyone passes those off as bullshit for reasons I cannot begin to comprehend.

Your brains have probably been stupidified by Gears of War and Halo.

[Guitar Woman]

Gears of War isn't even good, guys, come on.

[MetalMilitia]

Of all the PS3's problems its price isn't very important. The lack of games is far more damaging to its reputation.

I've had one for a couple of months and I can rent just about everything released for it for free. So far I've only found two games that I like; Battlefield Bad Company and Uncharted.

[Guitar Woman]

I was actually planning on getting a PS3 eventually, too. "Too expensive" isn't really an issue if you don't rely on mommy and daddy for all your monetary requirements.

Still, 500 dollars. God damn.

I'll probably need to do some looking to find the 60GB model with the Emotion Engine, too, since I'm mainly going to use it to play all the PS2 exclusives I missed out on in my Gamecube days.

[Zomboid]

Gears of war was fun. Stop fucking acting like every game sucks unless it is incredibly over the top with either nintendo icons or gay anime shit, has NICE, BRIGHT COLORS, and motion sensitive controls.

I'd agree that mass effect was one of the best games of the year. Fuck, even the xbox live arcade gets some really good games. Braid and castle crashers kick ass.

[Guitar Woman]

I act like games suck when they do

Like Gears of War

[Guitar Woman]

Thanks for reminding me about WiiWare games, btw. See? Wii does too have some good stuff.

[Zomboid]

Yeah, there's a whole shitload of great stuff on there. Oh yeah, there's only megaman 9 :lol

I have that on xbox live.

Your opinion on games is shit. If not because you're a vapid shit, then because you fucking flip flop on anything you say anyway.

[Guitar Woman]

Zomboid responding with namecalling and hostility to a perfectly valid and neutral point?

http://www.polepositionmarketing.com/emp/blog-images/inconceivable.jpg
Inconceivable!

[Tadao]

Yeah and Diablo is an awesome game!

[Guitar Woman]

Diablo 3 looks pretty good

[Zomboid]

Are you really that fucking dumb, or do you just not know how to read? Your "valid point" was shot down. Wiiware has fuck all for games. OMG POKEMON FARM! YAAAAAAY! More kiddy nintendo shit. Whaaaat fun. The only other thing on there that is worth a shot is possibly the strong bad game.

Secondary point is: Your opinion is null because you can't even stand by your own arguments. You bitch and complain forever about something, and then a day later you go back on it and say you're wrong. Oh, and you sometimes toss in a :<

[Guitar Woman]

Zomboid, how bout you make a list of games that I supposedly only like because the bright and flashing colors keep me amused, and I'll give you valid reasons as to why they are fantastic?

Then you can establish in a civil manner, to me, why Gears of War and all that chaff is, in fact, not boring, unoriginal, and repetitive as hell.

There are also plenty of neat WiiWare games to play if you bother to look!

The Dr Mario thing, Defend Your Castle, Strongbad's Cool Game for Attractive People, Megaman, Art Style: Orbient, etc.

[Zomboid]

The fact that the wii is the only console you owns means that most of the shit you play already fits that bill. Thanks.

Gears of war is just a fun game. It's fast-paced, involves strategy on the higher difficulty levels and multiplayer, and the setting is fucking cool. It's like the guys from Predator got tossed into a war with an amalgamation of every cool alien race. It's not the be-all, end-all game that some people claim it to be, but it's fun and people still play it. The fact that it's got a very active multiplayer community means that it's yet another notch above every single wii game.

[Guitar Woman]

involves strategy on the higher difficulty levels and multiplayer
One multiplayer strategy, along the lines of "get to the torque bow first," and one single player strategy, involving crouching behind cover waiting for your chance to pick everything off slowly, laboriously, tediously, from a distance. That's why I didn't like playing Mass Effect, either. Or any third person shooters that take after Gears.

World of Warcraft also has a very active online community, Zomboid, but under no circumstances does that make it a good game.

I hate to compare apples to oranges here, but in the online department Mario Strikers has any number of hilarious and humiliating ways to kick your adversary's arse, most of which are satisfying as hell to pull off, and counterable, provided you know what the hell you're doing; so, games between equally matched players can and will go on for ages and ages. It is intense as hell and the most fun I've ever had with a multiplayer game. I'm not just ducking behind cover and shooting some moron who has a smaller gun than me, I am matched on a level playing field of wits and resources, and then through strategy and cunning I cut his head off and smash it onto a pike with my gigantic BATTLE MALLET. That's what every multiplayer game should feel like.

The only comparable thing to it is winning a heated game of Starcraft against some obsessive Korean kid. Except you need way better reflexes.

[MetalMilitia]

GoW may not be that original from a setting/storyline perspective but what sets it apart is the quality. Everything about the game is really well done - the graphics, the animations, the cover system. Besides, people like games about space marines killing aliens, just like people like games about nazis and zombies.

I like that original games are made (Portal/TF2 etc) but I don't think you should have originality for the sake of originality. If it ain't broken, don't fix it.

[Guitar Woman]

Large amounts of polish in everything is sort of a granted quality for games these days, though, so if it doesn't do something other than that I'm not too inclined to be interested.

Also, every game and their dog is about World War 2 and Space Marines; I can understand that people like that stuff. I like stuff, too, but I wouldn't want every game ever to be about surreal, foggy, haunted tourist towns and Joe-Normal protagonists braving the horrors within, it'd just get boring.

[Zomboid]

Large amounts of polish in everything is sort of a granted quality for games these days, though, so if it doesn't do something other than that I'm not too inclined to be interested.

Also, every game and their dog is about World War 2 and Space Marines; I can understand that people like that stuff. I like stuff, too, but I wouldn't want every game ever to be about surreal, foggy, haunted tourist towns and Joe-Normal protagonists braving the horrors within, it'd just get boring.
Yeah, large amounts of polish is a granted quality for games these days except for most games on the wii. GoW just one-upped a bunch of games with certain things, which is why it became so popular.

Not every game is the same because it contains some base attributes that other games contain as well. I don't see why that is hard for you.

[MetalMilitia]

assburgers

Added: indeed a quick check of metacritic shows that of the 271 games listed for Wii, 217 score below 75% ( the arbitrary number game reviewers give to "average" games).

[Zomboid]

One multiplayer strategy, along the lines of "get to the torque bow first," and one single player strategy, involving crouching behind cover waiting for your chance to pick everything off slowly, laboriously, tediously, from a distance. That's why I didn't like playing Mass Effect, either. Or any third person shooters that take after Gears.

World of Warcraft also has a very active online community, Zomboid, but under no circumstances does that make it a good game.

I hate to compare apples to oranges here, but in the online department Mario Strikers has any number of hilarious and humiliating ways to kick your adversary's arse, most of which are satisfying as hell to pull off, and counterable, provided you know what the hell you're doing; so, games between equally matched players can and will go on for ages and ages. It is intense as hell and the most fun I've ever had with a multiplayer game. I'm not just ducking behind cover and shooting some moron who has a smaller gun than me, I am matched on a level playing field of wits and resources, and then through strategy and cunning I cut his head off and smash it onto a pike with my gigantic BATTLE MALLET. That's what every multiplayer game should feel like.

The only comparable thing to it is winning a heated game of Starcraft against some obsessive Korean kid. Except you need way better reflexes.
I'm gonna be honest here: I skimmed that. What I got was that multiplayer doesn't equal good and that you don't like the strategy involved in any shooters.

Oh well. That sucks for you then, because it doesn't look like anything is gonna be changing on THEIR side. You enjoy your one good game a year, though.

I'd say that I should be playing games right now instead of arguing, but if I'm fucking around doing this, I don't feel as bad not doing my homework than I would if I were playing a game.

[Guitar Woman]

Yeah, large amounts of polish is a granted quality for games these days except for most games on the wii. GoW just one-upped a bunch of games with certain things, which is why it became so popular.

Not every game is the same because it contains some base attributes that other games contain as well. I don't see why that is hard for you.

Firstly, lack of games with good visual and design quality is a huge problem with the Wii for me, and a complaint I've voiced before. Everything on it looks like a fucking Dreamcast game, despite the fact that it's graphically capable of Resident Evil 4's visuals, which still hold up pretty well. You're still acting like I'm touting the Wii as the best thing since sliced bread. I'm not; it's as shitty and flawed as all the other consoles on the market. The PS3 is probably the only one I don't have a srs beef with.

Secondly, yes they are. Yeah, one game is about space marines killing aliens that look like burn victims, and another game is about space marines killing aliens that look like anthropomorphic elephants, but it's still the same old played out bullshit we've seen a million times before. You are nitpicking to a ridiculous degree by arguing that these small differences make the games completely fresh and original experiences.

Is it too much to ask that people do something different once in a while? Sometimes I want games about psychic summer camps and brain harvesting, or assassins with seven personalities, or wapanese losers who win lightsabers off of internet auctions. Or galactic princes rolling shit up into balls and launching them into space, or wandering swordsmen scaling monsters the size of skyscrapers and murdering them to resurrect a dead girlfriend, or a bunch of dorky, psychic kids setting out to kill an evil space abortion from the future.

I hate to be constantly sucking Yahtzee Crowshaw's dick, here, but he summed my thoughts up pretty well when he said "20 years ago, back in the 8-bit era, games could be about French chefs riding giant stick insects weilding a gun that shoots velociraptors. These days a game's considered original if the gritty, well armored soldier protagonist has a moustache."

[Guitar Woman]

asjklfjksdf

[Zomboid]

SO MM, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT'S COMING OUT SOON?

[Zomboid]

ON THE TOPIC OF A HORROR THEMED FPS: System Shock 2 and Doom 3 is what I think, but I liked both of those.

Well, ok, one of those. It does look pretty interesting.

Yeah, I am sooooo sick of all of these similar games! I want some originality!

[Guitar Woman]

Isn't Dead Space a third person shooter

[Guitar Woman]

I also said it LOOKS interesting. It might actually turn out to suck, either because of fathead developers or EA's grand and amazing publishment routines.

As long as the gameplay is fun and they try to expand on System Shock's "surrounded by hostile aliens and a batshit insane AI while also trapped in space" setting, taking it to new and interesting places, I'm sure it'll be peaches.

[Guitar Woman]

Speaking of which, System Shock 2 isn't downloadable off Home of the Underdogs anymore.

Fuck! :(

[executioneer]

it says it's broken and to try back later? they're not taking it down for rights or w/e

[Guitar Woman]

I was going to suggest we get some four-man co-ops going

[Schimid]

It's hardly fair to say that the Wii is made for nostalgia and people that don't typically play games. It's just made for people that play Nintendo games. Like I said before, My problem isn't so much with the Wii as it is with the industry itself and there just simply aren't a lot of games out that I personally want to play...except for Nintendo games. And even then, my interest is waning in their stuff too.

Personally I didn't like Gears of War, I thought it was dull and the cover system was extremely clunky and unintuitive. Then again, I don't like a lot of shooters.

[OxBlood]

You sure are an agressive little bunch of people *reads the last pages*

Basically, I can accept that there won´t be many original games in the future, but that doesn´t mean I can´t enjoy "normal" games. Take Rainbow Six Vegas 2 for example...I don´t know how many times I´ve played through that game with a friend, one of the games I spent the most time with this past year...same thing for Condemned 2 (minus the Multiplayerpart, didn´t like that).

I don´t need the holy grail of creativity pour it´s glorious content all over me when I play. Solid games are all I ask for. What I AM allergic to are bad dubs. Which is a local problem of non-english speaking countries mostly, yes, sure.

Concerning Dead Space...I´m actually looking forward to that. It has all the ingredients of a great game. Aliens, Mutants, drifting gigantic Spacecrafts (the drifting is very important), mining and mining-tools that double as weapons, Upgrades (ALWAYS enhance a game, literally) for the suit and the weapons, a main character with a mask and hopefully more than 8 hours of lenght. All it misses are zombies but aliens and mutants are valid substitutes for zombies, so that´s okay.

[Zomboid]

It's hardly fair to say that the Wii is made for nostalgia and people that don't typically play games. It's just made for people that play Nintendo games. Like I said before, My problem isn't so much with the Wii as it is with the industry itself and there just simply aren't a lot of games out that I personally want to play...except for Nintendo games. And even then, my interest is waning in their stuff too.

It's gimmicky, man. When the selling point of most games is "LOOK! MOTION SENSING!", you can kind of tell that they're not exactly going for the same demographic as Sony and Microsoft. That's not to say that there aren't games for your average gamer, but there's a shitload (and it seems like the majority) of games that are made for Mom, Dad, and now, with wii fit, fatties.

Ox- I agree completely. I really enjoyed Condemned 2, but I'm glad that it was a rental because the multiplayer was utter shit and the single player mode was too short. Still fun though.

[MetalMilitia]

I'm looking forward to FarCry 2 the most. It got something like 96% is PC Gamer UK and the open world gameplay looks awesome. Great graphics and setting too.

I was looking forward to Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway for ages but reviews and been slightly poor. I'll still get it though.

[Zomboid]

Is that the series where you have reduced accuracy when you're under fire? If so, I played the first one and enjoyed it but for some reason, I never went further than that.

[Schimid]

It's gimmicky, man. When the selling point of most games is "LOOK! MOTION SENSING!", you can kind of tell that they're not exactly going for the same demographic as Sony and Microsoft.

I agree. I completely and totally agree. But I'm not entirely sure that's what it's made for. People just have no clue what to do with it yet--including Nintendo. Right now I definitely think it's existence is limited to those two things you've boiled it down to, sure, but there's so much more that can be applied. Most of the best Wii games don't have an excessive amount of waggling. There is a TON of shovelware, sure, but you could find the same on the PS2.

The entire thing is future potential, I think. I wish I could say people are doing interesting things with it, but they're really not. WiiWare was originally intended for fresh takes on the controller, and very little of them are. Even worse, there aren't even any good REGULAR WiiWare games like Braid or Castle Crashers. Bomberman was a great idea but there's LAG. There's online lag for fucking Bomberman.

There are good games you can play on Wii that aren't available anywhere else. I love No More Heroes and Elebits (i miss it badly), Boom Blox is good from what I hear and De Blob sounds interesting. I think Mirror's Edge could be great on Wii if it didn't have an extreme amount of waggling (but God i know it would). Devs that aren't really experienced are going straight to Wii and getting their card game compilations on the map because, hey, it's cheap and everyone knows people on the Wii will buy that shit. Look at Carnival Games.

I guess my issue is that the Wii was made to include outside demographics, sure, but I don't think that was all it was...at first, anyway. The runaway success enticed game makers to just play it safe and just make a pool or beer pong game rather than develop new concepts and ways to use the remote. Maybe things will change, maybe not. Maybe the Wii's success damned us to increasingly simple games, like I feel Halo's success damned us to a decade of polished but indistinguishable space shooters.

But the Wii could do great things, if people just fucking tried.

[Neen]

Boom Blox = virtual Jenga.:x

That said, I'm looking forward to The Conduit, Deadly Creatures, and Disaster: Day of Crisis.

Right now, I'm enjoying Wario Land: Shake it. Not that it's revolutionary or anything, but in this day and age a good sidescroller is a welcomed treat.

Hell, Mario Galaxy, Zack & Wiki, and Metroid Prime 3 are sure to become sought-after gems if the Wii ever goes belly-up.

[Guitar Woman]

Yahtzee talked about this today!

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/251-Star-Wars-The-Force-Unleashed

Also, I didn't think Disaster actually existed anymore.

[Phoenix Gamma]

So I got DeBlob. If you own a Wii, you should at least look into it. It takes the freeware tech demo and makes it way more awesome. It's not a system mover, but it's really cool. I dig it.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/40935.html

Also, I kinda want Disaster, only because it's going to be sooooooo cheesy. I know it'll just be waggle shit, but I've always wanted a game based on natural disasters and shit.

[Guitar Woman]

Guys, I love today's Zero Punctuation

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/271-S-T-A-L-K-E-R-Clear-Sky

If I hadn't been told he was reviewing Clear Sky, I probably would have thought he was talking about the first one.

Does the STALKER dev team know how broken their games are? I would have thought they'd fix every problem the original had in the second installment.

[Dr. Boogie]

They did "fix" the problems, in that they took a lot of the old bugs and tweaked them into exciting new bugs, like the self-operating machine gun bug, and the non-aggressive military guys bug.

Ooh, and the "increasing your max carry weight doesn't improve your sprinting ability" bug. They still hadn't fixed that one by the time I played the game, finished it, and uninstalled it.


A friend of mine put it best: it's basically STALKER modded. Not patched, modded.

[Emu]

I haven't been able to watch the ZP videos for weeks. When I click them to play, nothing happens. :(

[Guitar Woman]

You have to wait for up to a minute because the Escapist's video player is really bad.

[Emu]

It turns out I didn't update my Flash properly. Thanks, Flash!

[Zomboid]

this is for all of the fans of those fucking stupid gritty shooting games!!!!! u just wish u could play the same games that my parents can easily beat. u suck!!

http://www.pennyarcademerch.com/pat080101.html

[Guitar Woman]

Yes, the only reason I don't like shooters because I'm horrible at them. I have over 100 hours in Team Fortress because it's just so STUPID and I need to find evidence to support it's horribleness; not because it's, like, a fun and unique shooter full of attitude and awesome or anything.

[Guitar Woman]

Also the only games I don't like mostly because I'm bad at them are Deus Ex and Morrowind so shows what the hell you know

[Zomboid]

hey dude this doesnt concurn u this is for dem haters.

[Emu]

full of attitude and awesome

this, stop saying this

[Kusanagi_no_Tsurugi]

Yes, the only reason I don't like shooters because I'm horrible at them. I have over 100 hours in Team Fortress because it's just so STUPID and I need to find evidence to support it's horribleness; not because it's, like, a fun and unique shooter full of attitude and awesome or anything.
Second. I quit playing Counter-Strike due to this, AND the fact I never figure out how to properly play them with a keyboard (I'm more used to play games on PC with a keyboard than joysticks). There's just too fucking many keys to press (though I don't have that much of problem while playing GTA).

[Guitar Woman]

I like it when people don't know what sarcasm is

[Dr. Boogie]

Yes, the only reason I don't like shooters because I'm horrible at them. I have over 100 hours in Team Fortress because it's just so STUPID and I need to find evidence to support it's horribleness; not because it's, like, a fun and unique shooter full of attitude and awesome or anything.

You've got a team of people to distract the enemy for you and cover for your ineptness, which leads you into mistakenly believing that you're good at the game, and it is therefore fun.

[Guitar Woman]

I play the Spy, though, most of the time my team is a liability that loves following me when I'm cloaked and getting me set on fire.

Or the Scout, where you have to be good at twitchty, spastic gunfighting because your only real advantage is super speed. The scattergun is also slower when both firing and reloading than the generic shotgun, so there's that, too.

Or the Demoman, where you have to plan everything 10 seconds in advance and know exactly how every class behaves. I mean, you could also just sit on the point babysitting some stickies, but enjoy an extremely small number of kills for that round.

I do think that a good deal of the game is based on luck (FUCKING critrockets), but you can still be good at it.

If you're worried about not being able to relate, Zomboid, don't fret! TF2 is FULL of retards with messiah complexes. You will fit right in.

[Phoenix Gamma]

If you're lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time, you can flip the whole game around. I saw it happen a lot when I frequented 2Fort.

Of course, this argument can be applied to any game, so it's a moot point :X

[Bad Mr. Frosty]

I'm rather behind in the world of gaming; I JUST GOT an original Xbox system 3 days ago. It does have Halo 2 though. Good practice for the 3rd one, right?

And apparently the original Xbox is known for shooters galore.

[Big McLargehuge]

halo is stupid

[Bad Mr. Frosty]

Yes, I guess it is the 'cool thing' to hate the Halo trilogy. I personally don't see what all the fuss was about back then. For me, I only wish Timespliters 2 was a little more well known; the utterly random & ridiculous playable characters in that are downright amazing.

[Emu]

halo is stupid

this is completely true

[Maxilor]

Not so much "Stupid" as it is "Overrated".

I would take a Half life Mod (LEFT 4 DEAD) over Halo 4 or whatever there coming out with next.

[Guitar Woman]

Someone tell me why I should care about Left 4 Dead.

It basically looks like an amalgamation of every generic zombie mod for HL2, but you pay money for it.

[MetalMilitia]

Except L4D is being made by Valve - the best developer (of shooters) evar.

[OxBlood]

Someone tell me why I should care about Left 4 Dead.

It basically looks like an amalgamation of every generic zombie mod for HL2, but you pay money for it.

Well...let´s see

1. It´s not a mod

2. It´s a console game as well

3. It doesn´t look like a game from 1999

and maybe this director-stuff is fun, who knows.

Enough reasons for me to be interested in it. And there are no Zombies in the game, not one.

[Dr. Boogie]

It'll have a tough fight in store if it wants to be considered a better zombie game than Dead Rising.

[Maxilor]

Ive seen the game play videos of the game and there using ALOT of the models from previous games (Halflife 2 and Counterstrike) but the game looks impressive and like Grand Theft Auto sacrifices Graphics for content (or atleast i hope). It's also extremely fastpace which could make or break it, Regular FPS PLayers will find a challenge but will often lose there minds when a new player cannot keep up.

[executioneer]

PUNCTUATE

[Maxilor]

NO U!

NEVER ENDING SENTENCES ARE FOR THE COOL KIDS!

[MattJack]

I think L4D will be the next game I pick up. It just seems like a good lan game.

My buddies and I have lan parties ;_;

[MattJack]

;_;

[Guitar Woman]

I'll probably get Left 4 Dead and pretend I'm playing Diablo 3. :(

[Maxilor]

Not sure if anyone cares about Warhammer 40,000, but I found this recently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbjbbzOrCIg

Any thoughts? (Besides the obvious "OH EM GEE THAR COPYIN GEARS OF WAR! PHAIL!")

[Guitar Woman]

I want to hold every designer's head in a toilet until they agree to stop fucking making games about space marines.

I might not be a very big fan of Valve, but I love the shit out of them for actually coming up with original settings and characters.

[Maxilor]

Yeah but Games Workshop was the first to make a game about space marines.

so kudos to them.

And Nay I say to all those rip-offs! (Starcraft)

[Dr. Boogie]

I want to hold every designer's head in a toilet until they agree to stop fucking making games about space marines.

I'll let them off the hook if they make a game that's fun to play.

[Zomboid]

GW, I doubt that you can overpower a toddler, nevermind an adult male.

[liquidstatik]

..

[Guitar Woman]

my strength is fueled by rage and shitty video games

[Dr. Boogie]

He's upset that it's taking so long for GoW2 to come out.

[OxBlood]

Isn´t it out over there at your places? Been a week since release here...

[Guitar Woman]

I like how the Left 4 Dead demo is like 25% of the full game, but still only lets me have 6 days to play around with it.

Also, amazing, brilliant fucking job not letting me play any other Steam games while it's downloading.

[MetalMilitia]

I just played the first 20 or so minutes of World at War. First let me get one thing straight - I like WW2 games so I'm not going to bash WaW just because it's set in the 40s. I will however bash it for the fact that my initial impressions are awful.

First the AI is dumb as fuck. The zombies in L4D are way, way smarter than the enemies in WaW and they're not even supposed to be smart.

The weapon sounds are crap. The garand sounds NOTHING like it's supposed to - as in not even remotely - and the other weapons sound like airsoft guns. CoD games have always suffered from crap weapon sounds but I don't remember them ever being this bad.

Your weapon just hovers motionless in front of the screen and you hands are massive. I'm pretty sure the guns in Doom were more animated than those in WaW.

Invisible walls. Enough said. Actually no, not enough said - STOP USING FUCKING INVISIBLE WALLS IN GAMES. For example at one point I was obviously supposed to attack an enemy camp. As luck would have it there was a watch tower just outside the camp which would've been a perfect spot from which to snipe... if there wasn't a 1 ft high collection of stones blocking me from getting there which you couldn't jump over. I get that they can't just let you fuck off into the jungle but invisible walls are so lame.

[Guitar Woman]

Whatever, guitar woman

Anyway, instead of invisible walls, every game should have some horrible wild animal that mauls you to death if you go too far away from where you're supposed to be, and then re-spawns exponentially whenever you kill it.

In an unrelated matter the shark is my absolute favorite part of Crysis

[bigtimecow]

i thought you were talking about spore creature stage at first :(

[Zhukov]

Not sure if anyone cares about Warhammer 40,000, but I found this recently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbjbbzOrCIg

Any thoughts? (Besides the obvious "OH EM GEE THAR COPYIN GEARS OF WAR! PHAIL!")

I finished Gears of War 2 in a few days and I'd love for something to fill the single player gap until I can get a good broadband connection and get into multi. I know that that game wont be out for a while, but I like the 40k setting and I like the action and style of GOW, so I'd probably buy it and like it, despite the fact that it's probably not that deep.

On another note, I've heard that the GOW2 multiplayer is flawed/broken because of the lobby system, anyone care to comment?

[OxBlood]

On another note, I've heard that the GOW2 multiplayer is flawed/broken because of the lobby system, anyone care to comment?

Haven´t tried it cause I don´t like that kind of Multi but from what I read, most people don´t like that you cannot choose what kind of mode you play in a public match. Seems to be completely random.

[Nick]

GoW2 multiplayer sucks.

[Jeff The Ninja]

GoW2 multiplayer sucks.

All mutliplayer on Xbox live sucks. Unless you are playing some obscure Live arcade title or only play people on your friends list, every fucking game that you hop into on there is going to have some little 13 year old prick with a name like SASUKE_NINJA66321 make it known to everyone in the game that "YOU COST ME MY ACHIVEMENT FOR NOT GETTING KILLED IN A MULTIPLAYER DEATHMATCH :explode".


Its called a deathmatch for a fucking reason shithead.

[Nick]

That sounds like a personal problem, brah.

[OxBlood]

My main problem with the XBL-Multi is that most people really are Idiots. Young Idiots. Doesn´t matter where they come from, I mostly experience Americans (judging from their way of pronounciation), British, Australian and French (even though I don´t understand a fucking word of what they say...many of them sing all the time which is quite irritating).
The worst thing would be those people who appear to be 5...at least they sound like 5...shrieking baby-voices in my ears squealing as many insults as they can fit in a sentence.

I don´t know what happened to those countries, but apparently, total anarchy rages outside our borders or something...where are the parents, beating the shit out of their children for being like that?

Wait. Maybe those ARE the parents. Who wants to help me build a giant laser cannon to obliberate mankind? Anyone?

[Zomboid]

People who sing are the worst. I just, you know, mute people.

[executioneer]

all online multiplayer sucks, guys, it doesn't matter what platform it's on or what game

[OxBlood]

all online multiplayer sucks, guys, it doesn't matter what platform it's on or what game


Nah, Co-op is also Multiplayer, mostly online and it´s excellent. As long as you play with people you know.

[executioneer]

i don't know anyone

[Sam]

ZOMBOID AND I KNOW HOW TO TAKE CARE OF ANNOYING PEOPLE IN MULTIPLAYER GAMES.

RIGHT BRAH?

[Zomboid]

FUCK YEAH. NO ONE WANTS TO MESS WITH THE WOLF AND THE UNICORN!

AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOO