LET'S ARGUE ABOUT VIDEO GAMES

[Guitar Woman]

I usually just play Roger Daltrey screaming YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH when they try to talk.

[OxBlood]

i don't know anyone

Well, you know us at least ;)

[executioneer]

can you ever really know anyone though

[OxBlood]

can you ever really know anyone though

Yeah, people are pretty easy to read these days.

[Guitar Woman]

I didn't realize how much content was cut from Half Life 2 before it was released.

On top of that all the stuff that got removed look fucking awesome

[Nick]

Like what.

[Dimnos]

Half life 2 was the most bland anti-climactic p.o.s. I ever spent money on.

[Guitar Woman]

Weapons, levels, characters, atmosphere, plot devices, anything that would have made it a good game, you know.

[HappyHamster]

Weapons, levels, characters, atmosphere, plot devices, anything that would have made it a good game, you know.

ಠ_ಠ

They do that for pretty much every game.

[Guitar Woman]

AND YOU GUYS WONDER WHY I COMPLAIN ABOUT EVERY GAME THAT COMES OUT.

[HappyHamster]

Its no secret that games typically suck these days, with an exception to a handful (until nameless ass hats overhype the sin out of it), but can you really say that every new game merits a complaint?

Edit: I take it back, most games do merit a complaint or two, if not all.

[Guitar Woman]

Earthbound doesn't

[Schimid]

HappyHamster: Has opinions about stuff.

EDIT - No, wait, doesn't!

[OxBlood]

AND YOU GUYS WONDER WHY I COMPLAIN ABOUT EVERY GAME THAT COMES OUT.

Because it´s your role in this mini-universe that is the I-Mockery Forums?

[HappyHamster]

Earthbound doesn't

Yeah, true...got me there.

Aw Schimid...wheres the dick eating insult? All you have for me is that I dont have opinions? :(

[King Hadas]

I beat Soul Reaver 2 awhile ago. Other than the puzzles the game mechanics were pretty shitty but the story was so good that I was burning up for more. I immediately went to play Legacy of Kain: Defiance and after ten minutes I'd lost all interest. The narrative feels too much like a video game, that might sound stupid but if your a fan of the series I think you might know what I mean. Plot seems to take a back seat to explaining game mechanics, Kain at one point actually makes a video game "in-joke." Am I being to quick to judge maybe?

[pac-man]

No, you're not. That series peaked with Soul Reaver as far as I'm concerned.

[OxBlood]

The series peaked with Blood omen itself, the first one ;)

[HappyHamster]

The series peaked with Blood omen itself, the first one ;)

Loved that one. Blood Omen 2 droned on, and I had to force myself to play it just to get to the end, not out of enjoyment...

[Guitar Woman]

Yahtzee's Deus Ex song made my day :(

[executioneer]

mine too :( plus wth how come aus ain't get rock band yet i've been waiting for that review for like a year >:

[pac-man]

Anybody else read about the Watchmen game?

[Fathom Zero]

A six-part downloadable brawler on the PSN, Xbox Live Arcade, and Steam set five years before the comic and movie. I'm really getting into the Watchman, and the original illustrator's in on the games, as well as Zack Snyder, so I think it'll be alright.

[HappyHamster]

Why....goddammit, why should a Watchmen game fucking exist? Its bad enough a movie is being made...it was fine the way it was, in comic form. Theres no need for a movie, let alone a game regardless of how "good" it might be.
I could be in for a surprise, but I wont hold my breath.

[MattJack]

Watchmen video game? Mehhhh I'm on the fence about this one :\

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/watchmengame3.jpg

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/watchmengame1.jpg

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/watchmengame2.jpg

[pac-man]

I can't help but be excited about anything Watchmen right now. Sure, there's a big chance that the movie and game will turn out to be shitty, especially to those of us that really like the novel. Having said that, Watchmen has such a great plot, characters, and mood that it would be a crime to not bring it to the masses.

[HappyHamster]

I can't help but be excited about anything Watchmen right now. Sure, there's a big chance that the movie and game will turn out to be shitty, especially to those of us that really like the novel. Having said that, Watchmen has such a great plot, characters, and mood that it would be a crime to not bring it to the masses.

Yeah but that doesnt exactly mean that it should be made into a movie or game... if the world should see it (again) then it should be re-released in the form of some kind of....giant book. And you could just pick it up at a store that sells other books, of various kinds... a store of books.
I shouldnt bitch though, I enjoyed the Sin City movie... Still, I wouldnt be surprised if the movie turns out shit (including the game.)

[pac-man]

There's sort of this stigma about comic books, which is why a lot of people don't bother with them. How many people knew Road to Perdition or A History of Violence were graphic novels before they were movies? Plus I'm pretty sure that reading in general has taken a backseat to movies and games with recent generations. Like The Lord of the Rings or The Chronicles of Narnia, young people will discover the book via the movie.

[HappyHamster]

I know and I understand, but doesnt it bother you? Even just a tiny bit, that reading has taken a backseat to movies and games?
All the great books and such are being re-made (and some are literally being re-made...by explaining the history of a certain character, or adding useless sex scenes or what have you), some of the movies have entire scenes that weren't in the books...Its kind of sad in a way.
But I hope that some people dont take the fandom to far. I mean, not to long ago, I saw someones drawing of Spider ...except that he was drawn in that obnoxious anime style and trying to ass rape Rorschach.... do you have any idea how upsetting that was? Christ....

[executioneer]

no we've all been desensitized

[HappyHamster]

Thats a damn shame. Oh well, c'est la vie, right? :\

[executioneer]

yes it is a shame you are still not immune to being annoyed by incredibly petty things

[HappyHamster]

I guess youre right... I probably should stop giving two shits about anything that goes on these days.

[pac-man]

I know and I understand, but doesnt it bother you? Even just a tiny bit, that reading has taken a backseat to movies and games?
All the great books and such are being re-made (and some are literally being re-made...by explaining the history of a certain character, or adding useless sex scenes or what have you), some of the movies have entire scenes that weren't in the books...Its kind of sad in a way.
But I hope that some people dont take the fandom to far. I mean, not to long ago, I saw someones drawing of Spider ...except that he was drawn in that obnoxious anime style and trying to ass rape Rorschach.... do you have any idea how upsetting that was? Christ....

I'm fine with a game, a movie or a book as long as it's enjoyable. The thing about adding and deleting stuff is that movies, games, and books are completely different mediums. No one ever complains that novelizations of films tend to differ greatly from the film. Yet everyone complains when a movie differs from the book or game it's based on.

[HappyHamster]

I know that they are different mediums...ones a book you read, ones a book you watch, and ones a book you play, in a way. But thats not an excuse to turn anything anyone wanted into a movie/game.
Like I said though, I enjoyed Sin City and found the comics that way, so this movie could be good. The games look pretty good but nothing I can take to seriously. (meaning i could play it for a bit but get bored before any real time passes)

[HappyHamster]

No one ever complains that novelizations of films tend to differ greatly from the film. Yet everyone complains when a movie differs from the book or game it's based on.

Also, the reason why this is is because when you read a book, you already have this idea how everything should look and feel. When you read the book version of a movie, youve already had everything described to you (well, youve seen it visually).

[pac-man]

And the filmmaker has an idea of how everything should look and feel too, and he's the one with the camera, cast, and money. Let's not get off topic here. The Watchmen game looks interesting, but the episodic thing has me feeling iffy. If the game was really made with the mindset of being a worthwhile addition to the film/comic/overall lore then it should merit a real release.

[Guitar Woman]

People read novelizations of movies?

[HappyHamster]

I dont know why they would make the game episodic unless they ran out of time or something...or if they're just releasing it just to get some extra cash because of the movie coming out. (sort of like those spider-man games).
Still, a real release probably would be better, no matter how "short" the game may actually be.

Yeah, the 'I am Legend' book version of the movie apparently was more popular than the original.

[pac-man]

People read novelizations of movies?

When you're in Iraq you'll read just about anything. Can't explain why people would read them otherwise, though.

[executioneer]

i read the novelizations of gremlins and spaceballs when i was in middle school :lol

[HappyHamster]

They made a book out of Spaceballs? Seriously?

[executioneer]

well you gotta remember, merchandising IS where the real money from the movie is made

[MarioRPG]

I read the novelization of Blaster Master. Bitch.

[Dr. Boogie]

the FLAMETHROWER!!!

[HappyHamster]

I read the novelization of Blaster Master. Bitch.

ಠ_ಠ

[OxBlood]

Tetris - Fallen Blocks.

Best Cyberpunk-Historic Pirate Tale-Crossover ever.

[JediScum]

So i'm playing neverwinter nights, AGAIN, and also writing some stand-up comedy, in case i ever accidentally go to Lake Geneva, WI.

How many people here tonight have named their first born "Gary"?
Two people... not bad. OK, how many of those are girls? The same hands went up! Unbelieveable!

Seriously though... You should name a girl GYGAX! It just sounds spooky, right? Sure, she'll be a virgin until she's 35, but that's what Dad's want, right?

Uuuuuuggggghhh (cough), so anyway, speaking of not having sex, I started building a Monk character just a couple days ago...

(crickets chirp)

A monk who was multiclassed.

I wanted versatile kick-assery.

So i multiclassed him with a Wizard.

(Chuckles, claps and a couple of boos)

I'm sorry sir, what did you say?

(Yer mother's a wizard... on my face!! [followed by imbelic laughter])

Rigghhhhhhtttt!!! I think you need to put some more points into yer Heckler skill, sir. Either that or you should ask yer Dungeon Master to re-roll the percentile dice for yer mother to not sit down on yer Dad's dick while he's jerking off.

I did say it was great to be here, didn't I?
So yeah, i went for a Monk/Wizard combo.... but here's the punchline. I took the skills i needed to became an Arcane Archer (Race:Elf, Attack bonus +6, Weapon focus: Long bow, Never leave yer Mom's attic:affirmitive)

and after 8th level I didn't get the Arcane Archer option!!!!

I guess ya just gotta be a Fighter or a Cleric or a Ranger or a Paladin, nowadays.... Or an Elf who's NOT circumcized!! Isn't that right, ladies?

(crowd throws rotten vegetables with a skill rank of 1000)

[Neen]

I just fulfilled all the inane requirments to get the actual ending in Cave Story and the thing glitches the fuck up when I beat the core thingy. >:

I didn't invest money in this game, but I sure is hell invested time.

[Dimnos]

Never played it but I hear its a long ass game. Sorry to hear about your bad luck.

[Dr. Boogie]

It's long, but it's not like RPG long. A couple hours should get you right back to the same spot.

[MarioRPG]

It's not super long. It's well worth playing too.

[HappyHamster]

I just fulfilled all the inane requirments to get the actual ending in Cave Story and the thing glitches the fuck up when I beat the core thingy. >:

Same thing happened to me several times...damn near broke the cat over this >:

[Neen]

Wow. I finally got past the core, and jesus broken glass is the secret area tough. And the ticking timer & constant shaking don't fucking help. This is the shit that causes Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. And no save before the final boss. This game went from Metroid to I Want To Be The Guy.

[WhiteRat]

I just started playing my roommate's Wii now that he's on vacation and I'm interested in downloading some classic games. Any suggestions?

[Sam]

AIR ZONK

[bigtimecow]

homebrew channel :P

[Schimid]

God yeah, Homebrew. I put it off for the longest time, but it's the best thing I've done with my Wii in ages.

Most of isn't very practical (oh, Doom, cool I guess) but the sheer fact that you can download straight from their network is a huge plus for me. No more repeatedly swapping out the SD card!

[bigtimecow]

wait, now can you search for and download virtual console and wiiware titles directly from the channel? that would be bitchin'

[WhiteRat]

Volume 31 December 1991
Top 30

The NES is about to get bumped out of it's solo spot on the Top 30. Beginning next month, we will expand our coverage to list the Top 20 games for Game Boy, the NES and the Super NES.

1. Super Mario Bros. 3
2. TMNT II: The Arcade Game
3. Final Fantasy
4. Battletoads
5. Crystalis
6. Dragon Warrior II
7. Mega Man III
8. The Simpons: Bart vs. The Space Mutants
9. Tetris
10. Super Mario Bros. 2
11. The Legend of Zelda
12. Startropics
13. Dr. Mario
14. Tecmo Bowl
15. Dragon Warrior
16. Wizardry
17. Destiny Of An Emperor
18. Mega Man II
19. Monopoly
20. The Little Mermaid
21. Bases Loaded II
22. Ultima: Quest Of The Avatar
23. Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse
24. Zelda II: Link's Adventure
25. Double Dragon III
26. Double Dragon II
27. Ninja Gaiden II
28. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
29. TMNT III: The Manhattan Project
30. Solstice

[Dr. Boogie]

I remember that issue. That was the one where there was a mixup with the printers and half of the games from the top of the list were printed near the bottom. The one where it looked like Castlevania III was ranked lower than fucking Monopoly.

[Fathom Zero]

(Continuing from the HAY GUYZ topic)

However;

http://www.destructoid.com/re5-producer-does-not-think-that-ps3-development-is-too-tough--115615.phtml

So it all depends on the developer and which they decide to support more.

[Supafly345]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETu0vW5LgDg

[MattJack]

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk190/Damolition25/122093298472.jpg

[Microshock]

The PS3 has sold 20 million systems while the 360 has sold 28 million. The 360 has had a 1 year head start and a cheaper price point.

Pretty impressive for the PS3 i think, and no the "wars" are not over, the ps3 could easily take over the 360 this year since the thing has NO GAMES. the 360 i mean, it has no games.

This is what the Xbots get this year, Halo Wars, Halo: ODST, oh and the 50 million dollar GTA IV DLC. And maybe Alan Wake but that shit isn't even exclusive.

Also, we know that the first killzone was mediocre, but if you read some previews or actually read some real peoples reviews about the multiplayer beta, they say how great is actually is and how it lives up to the hype and not just in graphics.

[Phoenix Gamma]

You sound really insecure there...As if sales dictate how good hardware is. By that logic, Wii > Everything. Ha ha.

Stop trying to justify your purchase by dissing other consoles; justify your purchase by using the damn machine yourself. Every second you're defending it online is a second that isn't spent playing it, right?

These console arguments are just a continuation of the playground fights during recess. You know, the ones caused by mom and dad not buying both consoles. At some point, game enthusiasts put on their big boy pants and stop having stupid "lol xbot nintendrone i troll u" arguments and learn to enjoy everything for what they are.

Personally, I still can't justify buying a PS3, but someone might go halfsies with me. Actually, my family might be getting one too, which would give me some kind of incentive to visit them. If that doesn't pan out, I'm getting a 360, since their libraries are so fucking identical. PS3 has a few exclusives, 360 has a few, and that's it.

But they're all good, and before this generation is over, I'll definitely have all three.

[Dr. Boogie]

The PS3 has sold 20 million systems while the 360 has sold 28 million. The 360 has had a 1 year head start and a cheaper price point.

So... The 360 is outselling the PS3. Good point?

Pretty impressive for the PS3 i think, and no the "wars" are not over, the ps3 could easily take over the 360 this year since the thing has NO GAMES. the 360 i mean, it has no games.

Keep in mind that you had to add "the 360, I mean" because no one would have assumed that's what you meant otherwise.

This is what the Xbots get this year, Halo Wars, Halo: ODST, oh and the 50 million dollar GTA IV DLC. And maybe Alan Wake but that shit isn't even exclusive.

My friend, if you don't count games that were released on multiple platforms, the PS3 is going to be in a lot of trouble.

Also, we know that the first killzone was mediocre, but if you read some previews or actually read some real peoples reviews about the multiplayer beta, they say how great is actually is and how it lives up to the hype and not just in graphics.

The point of a preview is to sell a game before it comes out. You'll rarely see a preview that isn't optimistic about a game, and when you do, the most negative thing you'll read is skepticism, rather than condemnation, of a forthcoming title.

And the people who participated in the Killzone beta were likely fans of the original, which should tell you a lot about their standards for video games.

[Zomboid]

Really, kid, settle down. No one here is on board with your love of the PS3, and you're not changing anyone's mind either. The PS3 doesn't have enough exclusive games that don't totally suck to warrant buying one, so give it up already.

[Fathom Zero]

FUCK YOU PLAYSTATION 3 OWNERS. YOU SUCK ASS.

[bigtimecow]

you know what's a troubling (but true) statement? the wii has the most exclusive titles :x

[Zomboid]

I don't find that surprising at all, though. Most of the games on the wii are gimmicky and put a lot of emphasis on the MOTION CONTROLS!!!!!!!!!! and that obviously doesn't translate to the other consoles.

Obviously, the games on the other consoles don't translate well to the wii for that same reason. If I were trying to decide which console I should get a game like Marvel Ultimate Alliance for, why the fuck would I pick the one that has slightly inferior graphics and shitty controls?

[Dr. Boogie]

On a related note, there's talk that the Wii version of Dead Rising won't have nearly as many zombies on the screen at once due to hardware limitations. Bad controls, too, but I think that goes without saying at this point.

[Fathom Zero]

BUT, the Wii has the "waggle".

[Phoenix Gamma]

Psh. You're all jealous because the 360 and PS3 don't have the earth-shattering fishing controls that Animal Crossing has.

The director of the new Dead Rising (I say that because he wasn't involved with the original) was interviewed on Gamasutra to talk about the game. The interview was basically:

Q: So the Wii can't do this. How are you going to work around that?
A: We're compensating.

Q: Well, the Wii can't do that. What are you going to do about it?
A: We're doing something.

Q: You're probably gonna do something with the remote, right?
A: We want to make it easier to play for casual players.

It sounded like they're mindful of what needs to be done, but it didn't instill a lot of confidence. Anyways, you can check the whole interview here:
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21384

[Fathom Zero]

It says they've made the zombies faster. This could be interesting.

[Zomboid]

If by that, you mean stupid. The whole point of the first one was being mobbed by slow-moving zombies that only really got dangerous because there was so fucking many of them; it was the classic zombie formula. Having fast moving zombies is just a stupid way to compensate for the wii's shitty hardware. They should just stick with the slow-moving zombies and have fewer of em because they wanna make it easier for the "casual gamer" anyway.

[Guitar Woman]

I thought they were just making it look like a nintento 64 game to get around that.

Also, doesn't Resident Evil 4 regularly assualt you with asdl;kjasfd;lksfd;lkjs of Ganados, especially in hard mode? How can the Wii handle that but not some mall zombies?

[Phoenix Gamma]

Left 4 Dead has zombies sprinting at you. It's not like fast zombies don't work well.

Sure, that's different from the 360 game, but I don't think anyone expects this to be the 360 game, and clearly Capcom's not trying to make the 360 game verbatim. Really, I don't care what kind of game it is so long as it's fun, and that's my main concern.

I'd like for it to be good.

[Dr. Boogie]

Also, doesn't Resident Evil 4 regularly assualt you with asdl;kjasfd;lksfd;lkjs of Ganados, especially in hard mode? How can the Wii handle that but not some mall zombies?

The problem is that you're seeing RE4 numbers of zombies instead of Dead Rising number of zombies. The difference between 8 or 9 zombies and 20-30 zombies.

Sure, that's different from the 360 game, but I don't think anyone expects this to be the 360 game, and clearly Capcom's not trying to make the 360 game verbatim. Really, I don't care what kind of game it is so long as it's fun, and that's my main concern.

The problem is Capcom isn't making the 360 game because they can't. The fun and challenge of Dead Rising is in dealing with big crowds of zombies. If they can't reproduce that effect for the Wii, the game isn't going to be nearly as fun, and Wii owners will just have to say "this is as good as it gets."

[Phoenix Gamma]

I don't see anything wrong with a different kind of fun. Fun is fun, whether the zombies are in giant, slow groups or fewer but fast and deadly. Either scenario can be really fun, or really shitty. It just depends on how well you can implement it. Like I said, fast zombies worked in other games before.

Know what other game has hordes of overwhelming enemies? Ninty-Nine Nights. The number of enemies doesn't make a game more or less fun; it all comes down to how well it's handled.

And besides, if you bought a Wii, you bought it to play Wii games, not 360 games (for better or worse). Unless you own all consoles, it's silly to expect to get everything that everyone else has, especially on the weakest system. If you wanted to play 360 games, you'd have bought one or plan on buying one.

I'm not arguing against the old formula; it was obviously well received. I dug it. I'm just trying to show this new game from a different perspective.

[Supafly345]

I always thought of the game as having the possibility to be one of the best or worst games ever. Picturing it as board sea-sawing at the top of a peak, with the huge number of zombies on one side of the board, and the escort missions on the other. If you took off one the game would plummet into either one of the best or one of the worst games ever made sides of the mountain, but it was balancing with perfect mediocrity. Guess which way it is sliding.

[Zomboid]

Boogie and supafly pretty much nailed it.

The whole idea was huge crowds of zombies, and if they can't present that, then it's not even the same game. Heading into the underground parkade on the 3rd day and seeing all those zombies was a really unique, fun experience. Replacing that with FAST ZOMBIES in small groups isn't exactly the same idea.

On an unrelated note - I went to the gamefaqs board for gears of war 2, and holy fuck. Those are some of the dumbest people in the world.

[Phoenix Gamma]

It's not supposed to be the same idea, though. That was my whole point :( It's almost like a spin-off. Either way, I don't think we can beat this dead horse anymore. We'll have to wait for its release before we can judge its merits.

And gamefaqs is comprised mostly of 13 year olds. It's kinda like...My First Message Board. Oh well. The walkthroughs are the whole reason to go there anyways, and at least those are usually good. If you want some good laughs, though, read some of the user reviews for games. If you pick something really popular, you'll get thirty or so perfect scores and twenty 1/10s or something.

[WhiteRat]

I found out today that EGM magazine is no more, having shut down after the January 2009 issue. Normally, I wouldn't care about a magazine closing shop except that I have 4 issues left on my subscription from these bastards, and I didn't get a warning or anything from these guys. Come to think of it, I don't even think I ever got my January issue anyway.

Negativity aside, this was one of my all time favorite mags during the Playstation and beyond era. I understand why these rags are closing, but what will I read when I take a shit now?

[Zomboid]

It's not supposed to be the same idea, though. That was my whole point :( It's almost like a spin-off. Either way, I don't think we can beat this dead horse anymore. We'll have to wait for its release before we can judge its merits.

It's the same game. How is it supposed to be a different idea?

[Fathom Zero]

Oh man, the new screenshots of Dead Rising have like six zombies in them.

[Phoenix Gamma]

It's the same game. How is it supposed to be a different idea?

It's not supposed to be a port. It's more of a remake-y sorta thing. CES previews state the mission structure works differently here, the zombies are less in number but behave differently, and the controls have Waggle (c). And since the title is "Dead Rising: Chop Till You Drop" and not just "Dead Rising", it's clear that the developers aren't trying to make a port.

Sorta like Umbrella Chronicles, but not as drastic of a change.

We'll have to agree to disagree, but I think we can agree on one thing: this game looks old. Not even Gamecube old. Early PS2 old.

[Nick]

I found out today that EGM magazine is no more, having shut down after the January 2009 issue. Normally, I wouldn't care about a magazine closing shop except that I have 4 issues left on my subscription from these bastards, and I didn't get a warning or anything from these guys. Come to think of it, I don't even think I ever got my January issue anyway.

Negativity aside, this was one of my all time favorite mags during the Playstation and beyond era. I understand why these rags are closing, but what will I read when I take a shit now?
This sucks. First Tips & Tricks, now EGM. :(

[Dr. Boogie]

I had a free year subscription to it, but then they wanted money. I said no thank you, and a couple months later, the magazine folded. Coincidence?

[Fathom Zero]

They got bought. UGO decided to pretty much just toss all of 1UP. Fuckers.

[Phoenix Gamma]

Almost every gaming magazine is/was garbage. EGM had articles that were actually worth reading, though. They became less in number as the internet started telling people the news a month before the magazines hit the stands. Throw in the fact that 3-man reviews were slowly getting phased out, plus the resignation of Shoe, and the magazine just wasn't what it used to be.

Actually, everyone knew EGM was probably going to be sold since Ziff Davis filed for bankrupcy. But ending the magazine, podcasts (!), and 1up Show (!!!) while simultaneously firing 30 people is really harsh, man.

The people running 1up were a big part of the network's appeal, because they had a lot of personality. Sure, people disagreed with them a lot, but they were also cool about it. They never talked down to their audience because they actually liked this hobby. 1up was a crappy website, but EGM didn't deserve to go down like this.

EDIT: Interview with UGO and 1UP: http://www.destructoid.com/destructoid-interview-ugo-s-michael-mccracken-and-1up-s-sam-kennedy-117790.phtml#ext

[Guitar Woman]

Yahtzee Croshaw should write an entire magazine every month so I could buy it

[OxBlood]

I think there are plenty of problems with gaming-mags.

-They are never up to date (print)
-They are never objective or neutral
-They tend to tell you things about games you know anyway and don´t reveal important details.

[bigtimecow]

oh and also THE INTERNET

[Zomboid]

I stopped buying gaming mags when my family got a new computer and a decent internet connection in like '98.

[Supafly345]

Holy shit nooooo. There was a tiny archive of incredible seanbaby content on 1up. Fuck, maybe he'll get a column on UGO.

[Phoenix Gamma]

seanbaby's had his own site for years, man. Sometimes he puts up EGM stuff that didn't make it to print.

I loved his reviews. I particularly remember his reviews for Cat In the Hat (GBA) Rugrats (PS2) and Barbie's Princess Adventure (GBA) being really entertaining.

[pac-man]

I'd been reading EGM since the Sushi-X days. Gonna have to find new bathroom reading material.

[WhiteRat]

I think there are plenty of problems with gaming-mags.

-They are never up to date (print)
-They are never objective or neutral
-They tend to tell you things about games you know anyway and don´t reveal important details.

Mags appeal to me because i'm not the hardcore gamer that I used to be (once the PS2/XBOX era hit, I started to drift away from gaming) and it's nice to get a new issue every month to quickly catch up on what's going on in the VG world. The only mag I even read was EGM, mainly because I loved the staff during the late 90's and I tended to agree with their reviews.

That, and nothing beats reading video game mags while on the shitter.

[Supafly345]

Mags appeal to me because its much more enjoyable to read the writings of an actual journalist. My problem is they are TOO objective, meaning they decide a games worth on its overall preformance among graphics music whatever, rather than just funfactor. They try to stand back as if it were a painting instead of what just grading it on how much fun they had.

[Nick]

I used to buy Tips and Tricks, Gampro, and EGM every month when I was younger. Things have gotten kind of sour since T&T went out of business, Gamepro changing up it's unique layouts and character avatars in favor of being bland. Now without EGM, it's pretty much only Gamepro and Game Informer. Even if I can get all the info online, I enjoy helping out game mags with my business.

[OxBlood]

Mags appeal to me because its much more enjoyable to read the writings of an actual journalist. My problem is they are TOO objective, meaning they decide a games worth on its overall preformance among graphics music whatever, rather than just funfactor. They try to stand back as if it were a painting instead of what just grading it on how much fun they had.

Are you serious? Over here, the Mags are as subjective as the sites most of the time, can´t rely on much they say. Also, many of them really don´t have a lot of knowledge about Videogames. At least that´s the impression I get. Then again, Germany is PC-Gaming-Territory...or was, which also explains some of the Consolebashing, the PC-Mags love to do.

[pac-man]

I agree that reading an actual journalist is better. Maybe it's something about ink and paper, but I always feel that something that has been edited and published is more legitimate (if not always more reliable) than a website.

[Nick]

I miss those puzzles Tips and Tricks had in the back of their mags. I love coloring squares in.

[Supafly345]

seanbaby's had his own site for years, man. Sometimes he puts up EGM stuff that didn't make it to print.You talk about it like everyone on earth doesn't know that (which they do). But he hasn't updated with regularity since 2002. Really, its like you just discovered seanbaby.

The real crime is that with EGM shutting down AND the Wave stopping his column, both sources of regular content from seanbaby are gone. He once said that its hard to write for the internet once you start getting paid to do it. Maybe he'll return to his website.

[Phoenix Gamma]

Wut. All I said is that he has a site that has stuff on it, jerk >:

[Nick]

His site hasn't been updated in like two years, though. :(

[Guitar Woman]

Gaming sucks too much these days to be worth writing about

Just assume everything made after 2006 is shit and then don't play it

[MetalMilitia]

...Says the guy with 226.8 hours logged in TF2. I bet you hated every minute.

[Phoenix Gamma]

Maybe he's a masochist? Or a liar. Either or.

There have been plenty of good games since '06. '07 was an awesome year, and while '08 wasn't as awesome, it was still really solid.

[Nick]

Sean Baby only reviews crap. Going by GW's logic Sean Baby should be updating his site every hour.

[Tadao]

With your posts!

YOU JUST GOT HOLOCAUSTED!

[Guitar Woman]

I'm not saying there aren't still good games, you guys.

I also play shitty games a lot more than you'd think.

Half Life, Metal Gear Solid, The Elder Scrolls, Korean MMOs, the Tales series, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Summon Night, a metric goddamn fuckton of awful point-and-click adventures, the pre-4 Resident Evils, Street Fighter, Diablo, that sort of stuff.

Lately I've been struggling through Silhouette Mirage. Absolute tripe.

[Guitar Woman]

Oh god, I played Starfox Adventures about 70% of the way through, and went 80 hours on Tales of Symphonia. And those are probably the worst games ever.

[Supafly345]

Its like I am reading an artsy film and music forum. Videogames must truely have arrived as a legitimate media if its starting to fill up with pretentious indie fags too.

[Guitar Woman]

To be fair, video games are the only media where indie stuff is actually good.

[Phoenix Gamma]

Like Spelunky and Cave Story :D

[Supafly345]

To be fair, video games are the only media where indie stuff is actually good.There is always good indie everything to be found, I just wish it didn't enlarge the smug and shrink the dick of 30% of everyone who discovers that.

[Fathom Zero]

Dude, I just like blowing the shit out of dudes' faces and hope it looks pretty.

[Big McLargehuge]

To be fair, video games are the only media where indie stuff is actually good.
this may be the most insipid thing anybody has ever typed. independent anything is usually better than the commercialized version because it exists for it's own sake.

[Phoenix Gamma]

this may be the most insipid thing anybody has ever typed. independent anything is usually better than the commercialized version because it exists for it's own sake.

I'd say it's 50/50. You've got the games that are charming and fun and are made just to be fun (and not to be marketed as a product). Some are traditional games, and some are totally off-the-wall. When you play a good indie game that was made with love, it's impressive.

Then you have games made by people who..I dunno. The XNA community, for instance, gets a bad rap. Some aspiring developers get wrapped up in this "Games as art wankery" (the creator of Everyday Shooter confesses to falling into this trap during the early development stages). Others try to make this super huge, super epic game and forget basic design principles or set their goals too high. And others just aren't that good at making videogames.

Personally, I'm really hesitant to try new indie games. Bob's Game (http://www.bobsgame.com/), for instance, doesn't have a bright outlook.

[MetalMilitia]

God, GW is the most pretentious dick ever.

If you think popularity devalues a product then you're obviously prioritising "looking like a faggy nerd" over playing good games. True gamers play games for the sake of playing games not as some kind of lame status symbol.

[Zhukov]

I think it's far easier and more common to make a great film or book on a low budget than it is to make a great game on a low budget. Of course both exist.

[Zomboid]

I think we can all agree that GW is an idiot.

[Big McLargehuge]

Here, here.

[Esuohlim]

Bob's Game (http://www.bobsgame.com/)

What the hell is this? It's like the Timecube website

[Phoenix Gamma]

This guy (Bob) spent years working on a game for the DS. He wants to sell it instead of making it freeware, but needs a DevKit in order to make physical copies, which Nintendo won't give him (for several good reasons.) So Bob locked himself in a room for 100 days with nothing but a webcam and a phone for Nintendo to call him. 'Round day 30, he tore apart his entire room (http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/1/11/Bobscam.jpg) and was rolling on the floor in a fetal position, at which point the police came.

Then he made posts about how he's better than any developer because he made a game by himself, which "no one else has ever done". He posts videos of the main character walking around a town doing absolutely nothing, showing off how cool it is when cars stop if you walk into the street. Also, the main character is Yuu (har har) and he always spells "you" as "Yuu" on all of his sites and videos, because he thinks that's cute. Bob is also the final boss of Bob's Game.

He's still trying to get Nintendo (specifically, Reggie) to give him a devkit, making more and more insane posts. I remember when he was a normal person...somewhere along the way, he went totally bonkers. Now he says he's underground and in an alien spaceship or some shit. I think he's trying to be funny but it's just getting creepy now.

The best part about independant games is that anyone can make them. The worst part is that anyone can make them...

[Dimnos]

But is there actually a game that you can play? Or is it just him talking about it?

[Phoenix Gamma]

He doesn't want to release a demo. He wants to surprise players and just sell the game. For all we know, the game is just walking around a town.

[King Hadas]

I don't imagine he'd make much money by himself even if he did get a devkit, not just on the fact his game doesn't look all that appealing. What was he planning to do about manufacturing and marketing? If he really wanted to see it on a system he should probably try to sell the thing to a game company that'd know how to make and market it.

If he sold it as software right now a few folks would probably end up buying it out of sheer curiosity, that might be his whole reason for this gross stunt.

[Phoenix Gamma]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43v06aFndLQ
lol Nintendo invasion. Isn't it illegal or something for them to be walking around the store and handing it to people and employees while they're conducting business? I thought that's why people always handed out fliers and crap outside of store entrances...

[bigtimecow]

as lame as the game most likely is, putting sealed "copies" of your game in the nintendo world store is pretty ballsy and awesome

[Fathom Zero]

He could just nab the thing for a couple thousand bucks on the black market.

[Phoenix Gamma]

Bob's not really smart enough to take a hint from Nintendo. I'm not sure if he's smart enough to figure out where to get the developer's kit. But I have to wonder if those cases actually had game cards inside them at all. And if so, how was he able to manufacture copies of the game? I'd be pretty funny if they were all flashcards.

Also, he looks really creepy. This is closing in on Grandma's Boy territory here.

[bigtimecow]

i've been working on a new game

how's it looking?

it's... the future of gaming

[Microshock]

Couldn't he just distribute that crap on Steam or using the XNA studios thing?
Maybe even beg Sony to let him distribute it on PSN?
It doesn't even look interesting-like a bad version of pokemon

[Fathom Zero]

Holy shit, Killzone 2 is bad. I copped the PAL demo and whoa.

I don't enjoy the pacing of it all, I felt like I was swimming in molasses and the enemies were on speed. The controls ranged from sluggish to unbearable and everything is completely and utterly grey*. I didn't play the multiplayer because I deleted it as soon as I was done with going a little ways into the mission(s). The explosions looked bleh.

In the game's favour, the engine made everything look and flow very nicely; the animations were pretty good as a result. Everything moves well, but you.

All in all, get Resistance 2 or Uncharted if you want good PS3 exclusives. Then again, I don't know what the fuck your bag is, anyway, so get whatever the hell that makes you happy.

I'm waiting for stuff like Noby Noby Boy.

*I understand that it's supposed to be industrial and shit like "AWWWW THE BRUTALITY AND BLEAKNESS OF WAR" but I've never enjoyed that aesthetic.

[bigtimecow]

WAIT 'TIL MICROSHOCK HEARS ABOUT THIS :X :X :X

and noby noby boy looks great, but thats probably just because i have a boner for alternative game design :indiefag

[Phoenix Gamma]

I tried out Killzone 2 also.

It's...a shooter. I dunno. For everything I liked, there was something I didn't like, so all I can really say is that, yes, it was a videogame, and yes, I did in fact play it. Just like the last game.

It's funny how every game that's been billed as the game to save X System has always been good, but never oh-my-god-gotta-buy-it good. It's almost as if...hype isn't an indicator of how good a game is going to be...

Nah, Halo 8 is going to be awesome.

[Zomboid]

The halo bashing got old such a long time ago. I honestly don't think that it was ever anything more than a means for pretentious fops like gw to try to appear as if they've transcended popular gaming or some shit.

The system-moving games are almost always good, at the very least, so I don't know why people would bitch about that. I enjoyed the hell out of the halo trilogy and I really like the storyline as well.

[Guitar Woman]

I've transcended SHITTY gaming, if that's what you mean!

[Fathom Zero]

TWILIGHT QUIZ: ARE YOU A SPARKLY VAMPIRE? CLICK HERE TO FIND OUTT

[Phoenix Gamma]

The halo bashing got old such a long time ago. I honestly don't think that it was ever anything more than a means for pretentious fops like gw to try to appear as if they've transcended popular gaming or some shit.

The system-moving games are almost always good, at the very least, so I don't know why people would bitch about that. I enjoyed the hell out of the halo trilogy and I really like the storyline as well.

Eh, Halo was alright. I just don't think it was the second coming of Jesus like a lot of people I know were claiming. Like I said, hype isn't indicative of how good a game will be.

[Zomboid]

A lot of people just loved the games. Of course hype isn't indicative of how good a game will be; knowing this but still altering your expectations for a game is just plain stupid.

[pac-man]

Hype certainly isn't indicative of how good a game is or will be, but a lot of games are victims of their own hype. I think Killzone 2 has been over hyped from day one with that pre-rendered video and the hopes of Sony fanboys.

[Phoenix Gamma]

To be totally fair, I always look at Metacritic to get a before-hand idea of what I'm in for when I start a game, and Halo's got a pretty good press average. So I guess that's why I was a bit bummed when I thought it was just okay.

[Microshock]

Ok, I don't think killzone 2 is perfect but i really do like it. The controls are a bit wonky even though there's about 6 different schemes. I don't understand why first person shooters can't just let you choose the controls like in Resistance 2.
I also hating HOLDING L2 to use cover, i wish i can tap it to get in and out of it

I thought the graphics were gorgeous obviously and the guns felt very rewarding to use.
But the character is too slow especially if you need to do something quickly like turn around. I have a feeling that all of this will be fixed.

The characters you interact with are pretty generic. Fathom Zero, there is no multiplayer in the demo by the way.

Maybe everyone just has their expectations thru the roof for this, i think it met them, just some minor things need to be fixed.
The helghast are actually challenging to fight at times. Another little feature is that your gunshots and the helghast that die actually stay, at least most of them, it's good to look upon your massacre

[Fathom Zero]

I can't get into playing FPS' like this, especially after something as fluid as Call of Duty 4.

Actually, this game makes me wish Criterion would make a sequal to Black.

[executioneer]

you can't kill helghasts with guns, you need an enchanted weapon like the magic spear or sommerswerd :rolleyes

[MattJack]

I hate hackers in TF2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@!@!@!@!!!

I REALLY REALLY DO.

[Fathom Zero]

So Burnout Paradise and Criterion have the best post-release support of a game I have ever seen. Close candidate with Valve for BEST GAME COMPANY EVER.

[Microshock]

So Burnout Paradise and Criterion have the best post-release support of a game I have ever seen. Close candidate with Valve for BEST GAME COMPANY EVER.
Yeah i agree, they support the community a lot, and i still play the game so they've succeeded.

Because of the awesome support, me and my buddy will be buying the legendary cars and the big surf island and maybe other packs...they just sound so awesome, the first time i've been excited to pay for add-on content

[MattJack]

MY MOTHER FUCK*NG XBOX360 DIED TODAY ;_;

[MattJack]

IT WAS AN UNEXPECTED DEATH TOO

[MattJack]

FUCKI*G RED RING OF DEATH

[pac-man]

You've seen the Ring, MattJack...

http://www.neodymsystems.com/ring/r_img/remake/hq/ue_noah_face1.jpg

[MattJack]

Does anyone have any exp with the red ring of death for xbox360? How did you resolve issue?

kthxbye

[pac-man]

Check your warranty and hunker down with another console for a couple of weeks.

[MattJack]

fuckkkk warranty? I bought this bitch YEARS ago.

Imma have to go buy another one tomorrow, huh?

Luckily my PC always does me right :D

[pac-man]

Mine is overdue (knock on wood). My brother's red ringed a while back and he tried the trick of wrapping it in a towel. It was good for about a half hour of gameplay each time. That's the only trick I know.

Contact Microsoft and see what they can do for you... I hear tell they extended the warranties for early 360s (sorry don't know what dates).

[MattJack]

going to try this (http://www.instructables.com/id/Fix-the-Red-Ring-of-Deathwithout-towels/) tomorrow

[pac-man]

I just skimmed through the first few pics... are those instructions on how to beat Bill Gates with a wrench?

[Dr. Boogie]

Seriously, just call tech support and tell them about it. I did that with a used 360 I got off ebay, and they sent me a brand new one.

[Zomboid]

I got my 360 at launch and it red ringed sometime last year but was still under warranty. They DID extend the warranty.

[MattJack]

Well I'm going to call tech support in the morning. IF they fu*k me, then I'll have to go inside the guts of my xbox and beat them til they work.

I just have no clue where my warranty would be, but if they can tell by serial number or something then that would be great.

However, after doing a bit of research it does seem that most red rings are caused by over heating, so the man in me wants to replace the heat sink (i have a spare heat sink in my closet that will fit the bill) and drill of few holes in the case. Y'know, so I can feel like I have accomplished something with my life. A story to tell my grandchildren if you will :(

BUUUTTTT like I said I will call tech support, and even though I have to go through all this bullshit I'm still glad that I didn't buy a PS3.

[Zomboid]

I didn't have a physical copy of a warranty of anything. They just have that shit on file. In fact, I think I might've done it online.

[Dr. Boogie]

Same here. I didn't have shit on that 360 except the serial number.

Quit screwing around with towels and man up, you puss.

[OxBlood]

I had to deal with the Tech Support twice already (yep, third incarnation of my 360 by now) but they were really fast and really helpful, gotta give MS that.

[Guitar Woman]

OH HEY GUYS, I WAS JUST PLAYING STREET FIGHTER 4 ON MY COMPLETELY STILL WORKING PLAYSTATION 3 AND HEARD ABOUT YOUR 360 BREAKING

SORRY :lol

[pac-man]

Sucks for you.

[MetalMilitia]

Just when you thought guitar woman couldn't get any worse she becomes a PS3 fanboy.

[Zomboid]

Yeah, well, it's not like she didn't give us ample warning of her stupidity.

[Guitar Woman]

SORRY, GUYS, I AM TOTALLY TOO BUSY PLAYING AWESOME VIDEO GAMES TO CARE ABOUT YOUR YEAR OLD FORUM SCHTICKS

[pac-man]

Okay, have fun! :)

[Zhukov]

I called up tech support recently (well, a little while ago) and had a horrible conversation with a lady. I could barely understand a word she was saying; she had a thick, Asian-American accent, and I have an Australian one, so we both had trouble. Not her fault, but if it was someone from a call centre in India I could have taken that no sweat. This accent was too thick for me though.

She was supposed to send me an email with all the shipping instructions on it, but I never received it. I'm guessing it's down to a communication problem. Fuck. I have to call up again but I don't want to.

[WhiteRat]

SORRY, GUYS, I AM TOTALLY TOO BUSY PLAYING AWESOME VIDEO GAMES TO CARE ABOUT YOUR YEAR OLD FORUM SCHTICKS

Schtick? Speak for yourself you god damn tool.

[bigtimecow]

downloaded linger in shadows last night off of PSN. extremely intriguing and beautiful :D

been playing twisted metal 2 and syphon filter off of PSN as well. and just downloaded medievil :D :D :D

[Fathom Zero]

You've got a lot of good stuff. Calling All Cars is good, too.

And you'd LOVE the Last Guy.

[bigtimecow]

i watched the little preview video that PSN has, and it looks awesome, but i don't have an enormous tv, and i feel like i wouldn't be able to see anything

[Tadao]

!0 controversial moments in games.

http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/controversial-games/controversial-games/1298246

I didn't know little big planet had to pull the game days before release. :/

[Phoenix Gamma]

Yea, someone complained on the Sony message board when the Beta was out, and I guess things got out of hand over there.

Which kinda sucks; the day after, someone was writing about how the song was actually licensed, meaning the song would have to be offensive prior to LBP. Of course, it wasn't, so it was kind of a false alarm.

Ah well, I guess Sony had to cover their asses just incase.

[Zhukov]

So I downloaded Braid on XBL, it's a great game. But I used my brother's Xbox console to do it, but still downloaded it onto my hard drive. I thought that I could just take my hard drive back to my console (which is currently broken) and keep playing it, but apparently not. I now have the demo, but paid for the full game.

[Emu]

So I downloaded Braid on XBL, it's a great game. But I used my brother's Xbox console to do it, but still downloaded it onto my hard drive. I thought that I could just take my hard drive back to my console (which is currently broken) and keep playing it, but apparently not. I now have the demo, but paid for the full game.

There's a license transfer tool that allows you to move a game from one box to another. I think it's on Microsoft's website but I don't know the specifics of how to use it :(

[Zhukov]

Hey, thanks.

[King Hadas]

I wasn't sure where to look this up so I'll just ask here. I understand you need to modify your ps2 in order to play imported games. Now, does that apply to games imported from the UK?

[Pub Lover]

Two seconds on google says that PAL games look like crap on NTSC PS2 machines even if you manage to get it to work.

[executioneer]

i'm pretty sure it does :(

[OxBlood]

Should apply, yes, even though I never imported any british PS2 Games. But...why would you need to import something from the UK? It seems like you´re in the US, don´t you have all you need there?

[Emu]

There are a few games that were released only in the PAL regions.

I'm pretty sure there are some decent PS2 emulators out there that can run the disc straight out of your drive, and your games won't look like shit. It's a lot cheaper and easier than modding your system, too.

[executioneer]

if you have an insanely good computer, yeah

the one i was looking at earlier still only emulates like 1/2 of the games it's been tested with, too :(

[King Hadas]

The game I was thinking of when I asked was Sirens 2. I considered buying a PAL ps2 (not something I'd actually do in order to play a single game but it's an idea I had) but you know, those PAL Playstations aren't labeled as such. I assumed all UK ps2's had PAL stamped on their tops in gigantic red letters and also that they came in less threatening colors like blue and green but that's not how it is. I guess you could order one off Amazon.uk, it'd probably be a PAL version, maybe. What I'm curious about now is if PAL systems have to be modified in order to play American games.

[executioneer]

i'm not finding anything on google about sirens 2 and it frightens me

edit: that's because it's not sirens it's just siren lol, and in english it's "forbidden siren"

at least i hope that's what you meant

[King Hadas]

yep, that's it. It's weird you can't get any search results back if you pluralize it.:\

[executioneer]

supposedly there is some way to get out-of-region PAL discs to run on ps2 with something called swapmagic but also there seems to be difficulty getting it to work w/ games that are on dual layer / dvd9 discs (i.e. siren 2 ;_; )

[Emu]

SwapMagic doesn't work too well for newer games, anyway, and Siren 2 is fairly recent I think.

[Sam]

I thought I read that Siren 2 was going to come out on PSP or PS3 or something. :(

[Fathom Zero]

Siren Episodes is on the PSN. I dunno about a disc.

[Sam]

WELL FIGURE THIS SHIT OUT, DETECTIVE DAN. >:

[Fathom Zero]

I am but one man, Sam. You, above all, should know that.

[executioneer]

siren 3's sposed to come out on ps3

[executioneer]

SwapMagic doesn't work too well for newer games, anyway, and Siren 2 is fairly recent I think.
that's what i was talken about

[Emu]

Yeah but there's only like 10 dual-layer games tho

[executioneer]

well according to the google siren 2 is one of them

[Pub Lover]

those PAL Playstations aren't labeled as such. I assumed all UK ps2's had PAL stamped on their tops in gigantic red letters and also that they came in less threatening colors like blue and green but that's not how it is.

I had a look at mine and there is a tiny 3mm label on the underside that says PAL in grey on black. :hypno

[Nick]

Siren: Blood Curse is going to be a remake of the original title for the PS3. It was released last year, and is only available via the PSN store.


It's also censored a lot.

[Dr. Boogie]

I had to send in my 360 after getting the red ring of death. Again. The last time, they sent me a new one, and it last through just under 2 years of on/off playing.

The 360 has some great games, but the console itself seems to be pretty crappy.

[Nick]

My original 20 gig xbox died again, so I just went out and bought a brand new elite.

[Dr. Boogie]

Well given the choice between buying a new 360, or getting a new one for free, I had to go with the latter.

[OxBlood]

I had to send in my 360 after getting the red ring of death. Again. The last time, they sent me a new one, and it last through just under 2 years of on/off playing.

The 360 has some great games, but the console itself seems to be pretty crappy.

Sad but true. I owned many gaming consoles and none of them ever broke down, my Snes, PS1, my 2600 still works, not even my 1st Gameboy that was drowned in Applejuice when I was a kid. But the 360? Had to send it in two times already.

But late last year it was struck by lightning (true story) and I suppose it has superpowers now, like, not breaking down like a cheap electronic toy.

[Zhukov]

Well mine lasted for a reasonably long time before it died. I thought I was immune, that it was something that happened to other Xboxes. It's away for repairs or replacement right now, but I am pleased with the service so I am not too mad. All the great games has made it easily worth it.

[Zomboid]

Same here. I had mine for over two years before it broke down, and I was away at work right after it happened anyway, so it was ready when I got back.

[Microshock]

Got Worms from a friend on PSN yesterday and it's really fun in multiplayer, does remind me of a game i played from years ago called Gunbound, except gunbound uses tanks instead of worms..

Or maybe gunbound copied worms, i never played worms prior to this, so someone please inform me.
Stupid pricing on the game though, 13 dollars? Someone buying a 20 dollar card and buying this is fucked because what the hell are they gonna do with 7 dollars, buy a 5 dollar game and have 2 dollars, for what, a premium theme?

It's probably worth it if you split the cost between a friend and gameshare it.
Wheel of Fortune is also pretty fun but once again, stupid pricing, should've been 10 dollars at max, and like jeopardy it's going to go down in price real soon.
And Burn Zombie Burn should've had online co-op, because it doesn't, i will not buy it.

[Emu]

Sad but true. I owned many gaming consoles and none of them ever broke down, my Snes, PS1, my 2600 still works, not even my 1st Gameboy that was drowned in Applejuice when I was a kid. But the 360? Had to send it in two times already.

That's not really a fair comparison, though. All of those except the PS1 are cartridge based systems with no moving parts, and even the PS1 runs at pretty low speed compared to a 360. Probably, failure rates are only going to increase as the machines get more and more complex. It's like comparing a bike to a car. They both do mostly the same thing, but the one that does it better has a lot more places to break down.

[Microshock]

That's not really a fair comparison, though. All of those except the PS1 are cartridge based systems with no moving parts, and even the PS1 runs at pretty low speed compared to a 360. Probably, failure rates are only going to increase as the machines get more and more complex. It's like comparing a bike to a car. They both do mostly the same thing, but the one that does it better has a lot more places to break down.

Are you trying to defend what Microsoft did? The 360 is probably the worst produced electronic of all time in terms of hardware, it's a piece of crap.

Yes, there are always failure rates but this is phenomenal, they built this like a piece of crap and that's why it fails like a piece of crap, not because of more complex hardware, if it was because of that, then the PS3 would be failing left and right as well and laptops and ipods and everything!
The whole RROD thing may be fixed now apparently with the newer consoles but we'll see if those fail within 2 years or not

[Zomboid]

:rolleyes

[Dr. Boogie]

That's not really a fair comparison, though. All of those except the PS1 are cartridge based systems with no moving parts, and even the PS1 runs at pretty low speed compared to a 360. Probably, failure rates are only going to increase as the machines get more and more complex. It's like comparing a bike to a car. They both do mostly the same thing, but the one that does it better has a lot more places to break down.

We'll see. I can't imagine that making machines that they have to replace every 2 years or so is going to help their profit margins.

[Emu]

Are you trying to defend what Microsoft did? The 360 is probably the worst produced electronic of all time in terms of hardware, it's a piece of crap.

Yes, there are always failure rates but this is phenomenal, they built this like a piece of crap and that's why it fails like a piece of crap, not because of more complex hardware, if it was because of that, then the PS3 would be failing left and right as well and laptops and ipods and everything!
The whole RROD thing may be fixed now apparently with the newer consoles but we'll see if those fail within 2 years or not

ok

[Sam]

PS3 NEVER BREAK BECAUSE THEIR INSIDES ARE FULL OF SHIT AND TOOTHPICKS :rolleyes

[Phoenix Gamma]

Are you trying to defend what Microsoft did?

Make a good console with a good online service and nice controllers while supporting independent developers and replacing faulty machines free of charge?

I WOULDN'T PISS ON THEM IF THEY WERE ON FIRE.

[MetalMilitia]

I heard the PS3 has cobwebs and magic inside.

[Fathom Zero]

And hamsters. That feed on your hopes of good games. And stuff.

[Phoenix Gamma]

PS3 has plenty of good games too.

Platform fanboyism needs to go back to the playground where it belongs.

[Dr. Boogie]

Look, this is just something I heard, so don't take it at face value, but I heard that the reason PS3s always feel so warm to the touch is because their processors are made of radium.

[Emu]

PS3 has plenty of good games too.

Yeah, all those excellent exclusives! Like... uh...

:(

[Zomboid]

PS3 has plenty of good games too.

Platform fanboyism needs to go back to the playground where it belongs.
Or, you know, this thread.

[Dr. Boogie]

Seriously, this is the one time this stupid shit has actually landed in the right thread.

[Emu]

I murder PS3 owners in their sleep

[Emu]

you don't understand, this is a commitment

[Phoenix Gamma]

Yeah, all those excellent exclusives! Like... uh...

:(


Killzone 2
MGS4
Everyday Shooter
Uncharted
Rachet and Clank
Little Big Planet
The Pixel Junk Eden games
Flower

You know, things besides Madden and FPSs.

See, I can generalize a system's library too.

[executioneer]

meh @ all of those games. why not put gran turismo 5 or 6 or whatever number it is now on there while you're at it :rolleyes

[executioneer]

i mean dont get me wrong i'm kind of a sony fanboy when it comes to LAST generation, just not the ps3

[Microshock]

Wow, lets support the company that gives piece of shit hardware, only replaces your hardware if its RROD and waiting up to a month to get it back!
YEAH! thats a benefit! It's all good if the company fixes the crap for free right?

The controller isnt that good either, the d-pad isnt a d pad but a 3rd analog stick, i have the controller plugged into my pc, and the bumpers are damn shitty as well.

I've never heard of people defending such a crappy piece of hardware just because it has halo 3 on it, wow. And it's not a very great online service, because it uhh costs money and i actually prefer psn even though it doesnt have in-game cross chat yet.

Let's see another excuse for the 360's breaking down, OH PEOPLE DONT TAKE CARE OF IT RIGHT?

And executioneer, i bet you've played zero of those games, and you call them meh just to defend whatever console youre being a fanboy of, no, they are great games, anyone with half a brain knows that just as i know that gears of war 2 is good

[Zomboid]

:rolleyes

I love sony fanboys; I really do. They're just so cuuuute!

[Phoenix Gamma]

Dammit, I can't calmly debate for Sony when the Sony Defence Force is making posts like this.

Fuck it.

SONY'S SO GAY. WAY TO DESIGN YOUR CONSOLE LIKE A GEORGE FOREMAN GRILL. HOW CAN KUTARAGI EVEN BREATHE WHEN HE'S UP ON THAT HIGH HORSE?

[Zomboid]

You'll notice that no one defending the 360 makes posts like that. I'd say most people in this thread are just enjoying watching people make asses of themselves.

[executioneer]

the only reason i bought a 360 is because i wanted to play fallout and gta4 and didnt want to pay an extra $150 for it. the (USED) xbox i bought still hasn't rrod'd yet, so nyeah

and yeah i haven't played any of those games, because none of them have piqued my interest. MARKETING IS IMPORTANT

[Phoenix Gamma]

Well, I think Sony fans have this urge to try and defend this huge purchase they made instead of actually playing their games. If they can convince other people that they made the best choice, then they convince themselves that.

I mean, $400+ is a bit of an investment for a silly hobby.

Don't get me wrong. I still see just as many retards downvoting PS3 exclusives or PS3 versions of games on metacritic. I think it's possible to be a one console person without having to be an Internet Tough Guy, but the internet likes to prove me wrong.

Eh, I play all three consoles pretty regularly. And they all piss me off eventually.

[Zomboid]

I don't get pissed off at my xbox because it's a fucking console. It plays games and dvds, and that's all I want from it. I like the online, the games, and I also like that so many people I know own one.

[Emu]

I mean, $400+ is a bit of an investment for a silly hobby.


Yeah, but I gotta defend Sony (and Nintendo I guess) here in that at least with their systems, you get the whole package for what you pay for. The 360 most definitely comes out as the more expensive console by far if you want to get the best performance out of it. Even the most expensive model of the 360 doesn't come with some things that the PS3 and the Wii's cheapest options do, namely an internal wi-fi adapter and in the PS3's case a Blu-Ray drive (and full backwards compatibility, at least for a little while.) The 360's wi-fi adapter costs fucking $99.99 new. If you buy an Elite console (and you should!), that's $500 dollars alone, and if you want wireless controllers with rechargable battery packs, that's another $60 right there. Even the cheapest PS3 comes with those things off the bat.

[Big McLargehuge]

Someone should buy me a 360 and a ps3 so i can get in on this debate :(.

[Phoenix Gamma]

Just join Team Wii :D

It's not like no one else bashes consoles they don't own :rolleyes

[Big McLargehuge]

Will you buy me a Wii?

[Zomboid]

I'd sell ya mine, but I like the virtual console. That's what I still use it for :D

[Big McLargehuge]

I am one broke ass mother fucker anyway.

[executioneer]

Yeah, but I gotta defend Sony (and Nintendo I guess) here in that at least with their systems, you get the whole package for what you pay for. The 360 most definitely comes out as the more expensive console by far if you want to get the best performance out of it. Even the most expensive model of the 360 doesn't come with some things that the PS3 and the Wii's cheapest options do, namely an internal wi-fi adapter and in the PS3's case a Blu-Ray drive (and full backwards compatibility, at least for a little while.) The 360's wi-fi adapter costs fucking $99.99 new. If you buy an Elite console (and you should!), that's $500 dollars alone, and if you want wireless controllers with rechargable battery packs, that's another $60 right there. Even the cheapest PS3 comes with those things off the bat.

i don't have this problem cause i plugged my 360 right into the network router ;( also i don't give a fug about hd-dvd/blu-ray cause i don't have an hdtv

that is a really retarded price to pay just for a wifi adapter though, some third party should come up w/ a cheaper alternative

[Microshock]

All i said was that the 360 fails, a lot. If you're trying to defend that, that's really really stupid, because theres no denying it.

[Fathom Zero]

I'm tired of your stupid, so I'll respond to your points one by one in an intelligble manner.

Wow, lets support the company that gives piece of shit hardware, only replaces your hardware if its RROD and waiting up to a month to get it back!
YEAH! thats a benefit! It's all good if the company fixes the crap for free right?

No more a piece of shit than any other hardware. Sony won't replace the PS3 if it finds the insides too dusty. I waited a week, tops, when my disc tray fucked up and started eating games. And yes, free is a benefit. They don't have to make it free and the fact that they did extend the warranty shows a lot of caring on their part. That and fear of a class-action lawsuit. I don't think you're old enough to understand this, but "free" overrides a lot of shit. If I could get a free Whopper for mailing in forty UPCs, and I had forty UPCs lying around my house, then I'm going to get a free Whopper, nevermind that the coupon comes some months later.

The controller isnt that good either, the d-pad isnt a d pad but a 3rd analog stick, i have the controller plugged into my pc, and the bumpers are damn shitty as well.

This is a matter of ergonomics in personal taste. I enjoy the 360 controller. I love the bumpers. I like how it is smoother, not having as many edges as the PS3's. The D-Pad does need work. I won't argue with you there. I also like the asymmetrical positioning of the analog sticks. But to say that the PS3's is quantifiably better is really not taking into account how people feel about the shitty triggers. Don't get me wrong, I love the Playstation controller design. I love the battery that charges via Mini-USB. I think that is fucking awesome. But, again, this is strictly a matter of personal taste and how you hold a controller.

I've never heard of people defending such a crappy piece of hardware just because it has halo 3 on it, wow. And it's not a very great online service, because it uhh costs money and i actually prefer psn even though it doesnt have in-game cross chat yet.

What the fuck does Halo 3 have to do with any of this? Xbox Live is not a great online service? PSN is better? How about the fact that PSN is playing catch-up to Xbox Live in almost every field and every time PSN adds a new online feature, it is remarkably similar to one that has been on XBL for months? And your only rationale is that it's free? I am confused. You see, I didn't think you enjoyed things that were free, according to your previous argument against the 360's hardware. Maybe I am taking that wrong. I dunno. Things that cost money are TYPICALLY better than things that aren't, due to a well supported staff and lots of funding. People that are paid have a better incentive to do well and take pride in their work. I think the PSN is alright, but XBL is leaps and bounds better. I have no idea what "in game cross-chat" means, so I'd really appreciate it if you'd enlighten me.

Let's see another excuse for the 360's breaking down, OH PEOPLE DONT TAKE CARE OF IT RIGHT?

Yes, that is exactly right. People don't treat their consoles with respect. People don't treat their computers with respect, either. They take for granted that consoles are as they always were; invulnerable. But now, consoles are more along the lines of computers. As Emu said, it is an engineering fact that as more parts are added, the capacity for error greatly increases. That and anything with a moving part will fail eventually, the date of such event depending wholly on the amount of friction involved. People have no concept that computers are just as fragile if not more than cars. You can't toss these things around. You can't block the fans and hope that it works properly. And don't give me the argument that there is enough airflow in the back of an entertainment center when the thing is 360 is shoved all the way into the back leaving one inch for airflow. That doesn't cut it.


And executioneer, i bet you've played zero of those games, and you call them meh just to defend whatever console youre being a fanboy of, no, they are great games, anyone with half a brain knows that just as i know that gears of war 2 is good

I'm willing to bet, and correct me if I am wrong, but I don't know that Willie should be called a fanboy of the 360. He wasn't the most against the 360, but he was up there. And there overwhelming majority of those games are MEH, according to my personal opinion. Flower held my attention for all of a week. I woudn't spend more than that on a game. If it had costed more than $10, I'd have been freakin' pissed because there is no way that game is worth any more than that. 4/8 of those games are ones I seriously enjoy and one of those is one I don't even play anymore.

And Gears of War is terrible, you douche.

[Dr. Boogie]

For the record, I'd like to point out that my 360s have gotten fucked up while under the same circumstances as my still-working PS2: sitting perfectly still on a wooden piece of furniture.

From what I've read, the problem does seem to be caused by crappy design/parts/construction of the consoles. There are apparently a couple lawsuits against Microsoft for this very reason, and if it does turn out to be the truth, I hope MS winds up losing the case. Not because I feel I'm owed something, but because hopefully, it'll establish a precedent that will encourage console makers not to make cheap shit that breaks easy.

All of this leads me to one unavoidable conclusion: The PS3 sucks.

[MetalMilitia]

This discussion is redundant because everyone knows the PC is the best platform.

The PS3 is a good blu-ray player with some limited gaming possibilities and the 360 is a medium for spoilt children to abuse strangers.

[Phoenix Gamma]

All i said was that the 360 fails, a lot. If you're trying to defend that, that's really really stupid, because theres no denying it.

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