LET'S ARGUE ABOUT VIDEO GAMES [Archive] - Page 8

Fathom Zero

Sep 9th, 2010, 12:51 PM

When we judge a game like this, how do we do it? Do we judge simply on gameplay? If so, the repetitive combat and long drives around town may very well mark it as a mediocre title. Do we judge it on story quality? If so, then we have a game that makes no sense and frequently makes light of murder and sexual deviancy. I say a game needs to be judged by how often it made you happy, how much you laughed or became excited, and how long you spend thinking about it after it was finished. If we judge it by those standards, then Deadly Premonition, my friends, is simply stunning. No other game has made me laugh so hard, laugh almost to the point of tears, laugh just by thinking about it. Deadly Premonition may well be the first game reviewed almost purely for its comedic value, but for a game so funny, it has to be done.

Deadly Premonition is beautiful. No, not graphically. Graphically it's atrocious. It's a beautiful trainwreck, and it's well aware of the fact. Despite this game being quite like everything ever made, there's nothing quite like the game itself. There is absolutely nothing in this industry that can compare to how weird and wonderful the whole experience is. Judged as a piece of entertainment, as a game that consistently surprises and amazes and leaves jaws hanging, I have no choice but to say that Deadly Premonition goes above and beyond. This game is so bad, it's not just become good. It's pretty close to perfect.

So says Mr. Stewart!

Score: 10 -- Flawless Victory

Know what? I think he's right. I've been looking a long time for a B-Game. A game that's so bad it's good, BUT not unfun to play. That "but" has kept a lot of games out of the category. A lot of them are just awful and not fun to play. But Deadly Premonition is. And it's so fucking weird. I'm loving every second of it, every bit of horrid dialogue, every conversation with my split personality in the car, all of it. I got a used copy for $17, not that I was too cheap to get a new one for $20 if they had it. This game deserves more accolades.

Deadly Premonition could be the first B-Game.

Dr. Boogie

Sep 9th, 2010, 05:54 PM

Eh. I fully believe that it's a B-game because I remember a PS2 game by the same guy (Swery65) called Spy Fiction.

It wanted to be Metal Gear Solid so bad. Over-the-top villains, stealth, spy gadgets (including the optic camo suit), it was all in there. The thing was, it did everything MGS did, but really badly. The acting was terrible, the dialog was a joke, the music was mediocre at best, the combat was nightmarish, and then there was stuff that was just weird. I give the guy points for introducing the phrase "garbology", but the weirdest bit was trying to eavesdrop on someone: when you were near someone who had something to say, instead of just hearing them talk, you would hear this strange jabbering. Not like they're mumbling and you can't understand them; it was like they were loudly speaking gibberish. You had to hold down a button to listen to them, but doing so anchored you to one spot, and if you let go of the button or they walked away, the speech would end and you'd have to track them down to do it again.

I'm just not ready to give that guy any more of my money yet.

Fathom Zero

Sep 9th, 2010, 06:52 PM

Oh man, I had that game, too. It was fantastic. I did like the Optical Camo masks. Great fun was had, walking up to an enemy as them.

I totally take it all back, these games are wonderful in any context.

DougClayton4231

Sep 21st, 2010, 07:52 AM

Yeah, the AI has definitely been improved and the text is large and readable.

It's funny that the ESRB is going out of its way to try and stop California's government from pushing the M rating to 18 years old (without minors being able to purchase it with a parent) from 17 (where they could). The ESRB only opposes it because their M rated game cash cows (teenage gamers with parental consent) makes up a huge part of their audience. I love how businessmen always claim that it's about art when it's always about money.

I personally support this initiative. For 17 year olds, this isn't a big deal, they just have to wait another year. Children shouldn't be playing our current mature games anyway because they are far too gratuitously violent and sex laden. But I'm sure that gamers will get into a nerdrage over the fact that this will lower the amount of toddlers calling them gay over CODMW2 or any other number of games. What are your thoughts on this?

OxBlood

Sep 21st, 2010, 08:03 AM

I agree on that. Some of the kids I see these days or some of the players you meet online or something...many of them give off the impression that they lack a certain ammount of...what to call it...control maybe. They seem like they never learned how to play responsibly and keeping in touch with how things work in the real world.

Maybe I´m just a cranky old man by now but we played differently back in the day, because our parents knew what we were doing. Sure, I played Doom when I was 12 or something but that game didn´t linger in my mind for days after that. I played it and then I was done with it, cause it was just some game.

But nowadays...I´m not so sure if many parents watch what their kids do with their consoles and PCs and it´s out of the question that today´s more violent games don´t belong into the hands of kids. But then again, it´s easy for me to say since I´m no kid anymore and can play whatever I want :)

Fuck man, back when I was a kid we were playing outside in the trees or by the river and that was all we could ever ask for :)

Fathom Zero

Sep 21st, 2010, 08:18 AM

I personally support this initiative. For 17 year olds, this isn't a big deal, they just have to wait another year. Children shouldn't be playing our current mature games anyway because they are far too gratuitously violent and sex laden...What are your thoughts on this?

You're fucking deluded? I'm sorry, people with terrible opinions just make me angry, and we've had run-ins before, so I'll just preempt your self-righteousness and attack your premises. Firstly, you think just waiting another year until you're eighteen is perfectly acceptable when I would be more than willing to bet you didn't wait and had your parents buy them for you. Now, they can't get their hands on it at all until then, regardless of parents. Games are pornography to you, waiting to hurt children. I'd be willing to contend that not even pornography is that harmful, but that's another discussion entirely. When I was a kid, about nine or ten, Die Hard with a Vengeance was probably my favorite movie. I couldn't tell you why. I only knew that the director, John McTiernan, had done something cool. I've since seen the first one, and it became my favorite movie of all time, inspiring me to be a film major. I never liked things that catered to children. I was too fucking smart and whenever I did watch a kiddie movie, it felt like they were talking down to me. When I got older, about twelve or so, we got a PS2, along with Metal Gear Solid 2. The original was fantastic, but the second one blew my fucking mind. I knew what games could be. It also reinforced my film major plans. I honestly have nothing to combat you, since your argument is structurally unsound, ("Should" fallacy.) I can't disagree enough with you, as I would not be the person that I like and that my friends like today without having played, seen, and read everything I have.

Besides, I've seen dead bodies rolled out of hotel rooms under bloody sheets every night on the news, since I was born. And it'll still be that way. Famous starlet showing her snatch getting out of an Escalade. It's acceptable to be bombarded with otherwise reprehensible imagery, so long as it's not a game or movie.

Maybe I´m just a cranky old man by now but we played differently back in the day, because our parents knew what we were doing. Sure, I played Doom when I was 12 or something but that game didn´t linger in my mind for days after that. I played it and then I was done with it, cause it was just some game.

I think you should pause and think about your past. Old(er) people seem to find new ways, every generation, to say that the new generation is worse than theirs. It's ageist. I didn't have any money growing up, so all my family had was an SNES until 2002 or so, when we got a PS2. I eat, slept, and breathed Super Mario World. I had one game, andI was thinking about it constantly, just as obsessive as if I woud've had Doom. (Obsession in my mind, being far worse than exposure to violent imagery.) When I wasn't playing it, I was talking about it to friends. Coincidentally, playing a shit-ton of games as a kid makes you a lot of friends. Just thought I'd put that out there.

It's just, people find it really easy to lose perspective, which is sad. I'll never lose connection with how hard it was, sometimes, getting a hold of great games, having people tell me I can't do something, can't watch something, simply because I wasn't of age proper. Suppression of information to youths is disgusting and something I find intolerable.

OxBlood

Sep 21st, 2010, 11:42 AM

Besides, I've seen dead bodies rolled out of hotel rooms under bloody sheets every night on the news, since I was born. And it'll still be that way. Famous starlet showing her snatch getting out of an Escalade. It's acceptable to be bombarded with otherwise reprehensible imagery, so long as it's not a game or movie.
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None of that should be seen by a child in my opinion, there´s nothing to gain from that but it can destroy quite a bit in a child´s mind.

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I think you should pause and think about your past. Old(er) people seem to find new ways, every generation, to say that the new generation is worse than theirs. It's ageist (learned a new word, thanks for that :)). I didn'thave any money growing up, so all my family had was an SNES until 2002 or so, when we got a PS2. I eat, slept, and breathed Super Mario World. I had one game, andI was thinking about it constantly, just as obsessive as if I woud've had Doom. (Obsession in my mind, being far worse than exposure to violent imagery.) When I wasn't playing it, I was talking about it to friends.

Well, I just describe how I percept the world. Being influenced by SO much information all the time is not a very good thing to begin with. Now imagine a lot of that information is violence-themed...can´t have any positive effect on half-developed minds. I don´t think that has anything to do with my generation or the younger generation, it feels like the wind is getting rougher in these past years if that makes any sense in english.

Coincidentally, playing a shit-ton of games as a kid makes you a lot of friends. Just thought I'd put that out there.

I don´t think I really understand what you mean by that.
Playing a lot of games gives you a shitload of pop-culture-reference material, a lot of inside-jokes and some gamer-friends but if you mean something different, I don´t know what you mean I´m afraid

It's just, people find it really easy to lose perspective, which is sad. I'll never lose connection with how hard it was, sometimes, getting a hold of great games, having people tell me I can't do something, can't watch something, simply because I wasn't of age proper. Suppression of information to youths is disgusting and something I find intolerable.

Depends. There are things that people of a certain age simply shouldn´t do or see, it´s really that simple. You don´t show splatter-movies to a 5 year old, you don´t give a 10 year old hardcore porn, you don´t let a kid drink alcohol, things like these. I´m not talking about a few months in age difference or something, I´m talking about years.

I agree that the whole debate about violence in games and how it influences the players is overexaggereting things but still, a kid shouldn´t play things like Gears or Condemned simply because it´s (in most cases) too early for things like that.

Hope that makes sense to you guys, my english is kinda leaving me every now and then :\

Fathom Zero

Sep 21st, 2010, 01:32 PM

Don't worry about your English, man. It's excellent. And that second bit was just an aside, going along with the whole obsession theme. We make friends through our interests, then they transcend those interests, if they're good friends. If not, then... they're single-purpose friends. I mean, not someone who's like your best friend. Most of the friends I have, I've met through video games, one way or another.

And it appears we will disagree forever on how to raise a kid. Thankfully, you don't have to raise mine and I don't have to yours. That's what makes the world an amazing place with all sorts of debate and thought, n'est pas?

I don't believe it matters what a child is exposed to. I'm a pretty good example, I guess. I've seen a number of dead guys in my day. (I have a pretty good joke about my uncle - "My uncle's favorite candy bar was those Whatchamacallit bars, yeh. But he can't have them anymore." "Why not?" "Because he shot himself.")

I don't think it matters, to expose a spongey mind to something. Logically, that'd be the best time to teach them about something, since kids have a better grasp of consequences the younger they are. And don't anyone twist that around to make me seem okay with child abuse and shit like that. We can split hairs all day about what abuse is, too - I'm more than ready to argue semantics. I think what's more damaging to a kid is to say they can't do something. That certain things are... verboten. (;)) I was never limited artificially by my parents. Even my father, whom is a complete asshole. I found what I was good at and what my limits were. I think it's child abuse to tell a kid that they can't be wrong, that there's no such thing as a mistake, and that everyone has to get a medal.

In the end, it's all parenting. Let people legislate rights away and pawn off responsibility? If you advance that, then you're a cunt. I hate you from the bottom of my heart and I hope nothing but the worst for you, because you're less than nothing.

Not that I'm aiming my vitriol at you, Ox. You seem to be a perceptive fellow. If you believe in such things, then I'm sorry. :\

OxBlood

Sep 21st, 2010, 03:50 PM

I think it's child abuse to tell a kid that they can't be wrong, that there's no such thing as a mistake, and that everyone has to get a medal.

In the end, it's all parenting. Let people legislate rights away and pawn off responsibility? If you advance that, then you're a cunt. I hate you from the bottom of my heart and I hope nothing but the worst for you, because you're less than nothing.

Oh we do seem to agree on that first paragraph. Of course I´d tell my kid it´s...verboten ;) to play on a construction site for example but at the same time I know it will run around there anyway. Just because I don´t want my kid to do something officially it doesn´t mean that I´ll go yell at it because it just because it behaved like a kid. It´s just growing up, it makes mistakes, it HAS to make mistakes, has to test out certain limits, that´s only natural, otherwise it will most likely have problems later on. One reason why I don´t like overly protective parents and uber-shelterd kids. Even their immunesystems suffer because of such behavior.

And I never said anything about giving up responsibility, as a parent, YOU´RE the one responsible for your kid, not the state, not the community, the family is, we agree on that as well it seems. What I think is okay is to prevent kids getting things not suitable for their age on their own. If your parents are cool with you playing or watching something, it´s their responsibility again. Can be good parenting, can be bad parenting, it all depends on the parents, the kids and the situation.

But Store-Clerks selling...lets say Prototype...selling that to kids? Not cool in my opinion. Ot the Yakuza-Series. Too adult-themed for kids. Again, it´s the parent´s responsibility to do the right thing for their kid. There´s almost no greater parenting-crime than letting the TV or the internet do the education of your kid. I hate people that just "park" their kids in front of the thing and then wander off. Irresponsible, but I think we both agree on that?

DougClayton4231

Sep 21st, 2010, 04:01 PM

For example of my argument Fathom, compare Mortal Kombat from our adolescence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPyIK_Vnbl4) with the remake of Mortal Kombat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz_vrbUCCvg).

Growing up playing Mature games and rated R movies is never a good thing. I ended up having to be my own censor because my mom was at work, taking care of the family. I played Doom, but I refused to play Quake when I was young, purely because Quake was much more realistic (and scary at the time).

Comparing violence and sex in media from the early 90's to now is as ridiculous as the 80's to 90's. Case in point, Texas Chainsaw Massacre (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWa9kTeLAGU) and Splatterhouse 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnv10rccxmg&feature=related)

I actually had the misfortune of seeing a man murdered in the street at the age of 8 as well. Mature content needs to be for adults, not children.

I agree that the whole debate about violence in games and how it influences the players is overexaggereting things but still, a kid shouldn´t play things like Gears or Condemned simply because it´s (in most cases) too early for things like that.

Hope that makes sense to you guys, my english is kinda leaving me every now and then :\

I agree wholeheartedly. All I want to see is that children will not be able to get their hands on inappropriate content without consent from their parents.

In the end, it's all parenting. Let people legislate rights away and pawn off responsibility? If you advance that, then you're a cunt. I hate you from the bottom of my heart and I hope nothing but the worst for you, because you're less than nothing.

Not that I'm aiming my vitriol at you, Ox. You seem to be a perceptive fellow. If you believe in such things, then I'm sorry. :\

There is no issue of rights or free speech in the actual bill though. All it's trying to do is keep ultra-violent games from kids. They do the same thing with porn. Who's really opposed to that?

Dr. Boogie

Sep 21st, 2010, 04:52 PM

I played Doom, but I refused to play Quake when I was young, purely because Quake was much more realistic (and scary at the time).

You mean you thought Quake was more realistic when you were a kid and didn't know any better, right? Because that's a game where you travel to other dimensions and shoot monsters with an automatic nailgun.

There is no issue of rights or free speech in the actual bill though. All it's trying to do is keep ultra-violent games from kids. They do the same thing with porn. Who's really opposed to that?

Well, people who don't consider video games and porno to be analogous, for one.

I'm against it because I recognize the bill for what it is: a cynical ploy by politicians who want to distract from the fact that the state has gone bankrupt under their watch. They just need a quick moral panic fix to scare people into reelecting them. Once the elections are over, this issue will disappear. Just you wait.

The other reason I'm against it is because it's completely unnecessary. It has never been easier for a parent to stop their kids from playing inappropriate games than it is right now: Every game has a label and a brief content description on the front and back cover. Each one of those labels contains a URL where you can go to learn more about what's in a certain title. Video and screenshots of any game can be Googled from your mobile phone. And even if all that fails, even if you steadfastly refuse to expend an ounce of effort trying to learn about the media your kids consume, you can use the parental controls on any modern console to block out M-rated games automatically. In short, if your kids can play games you don't want them playing at home, it's on you.

Finally, I don't want law enforcement spending even a moment of their time on this. The idea that you could be working at Best Buy one day, then find yourself fired because you accidentally sold a copy of GoW3 to little Johnny and his holy roller mother threw a fit... that's just pathetic.

But I know all of this is mostly moot because the bill will just be shot down as being unconstitutional, just as it was when they tried it in Illinois, and just as it was when they tried it here years ago.

Fathom Zero

Sep 21st, 2010, 05:19 PM

I didn't even think of that, Boogie. I'm not up on California politics in general. Good call. It's like the bunch of health initiatives they're doing in New York, (taxing soft drinks (which fortunately got shot down), forbidding smoking in public parks or beaches), coz they need to fine more people and get some cash going.

Growing up playing Mature games and rated R movies is never a good thing. I ended up having to be my own censor because my mom was at work, taking care of the family. I played Doom, but I refused to play Quake when I was young, purely because Quake was much more realistic (and scary at the time).

I wouldn't say that's so much censoring as not doing something coz it scares the shit out of you. I still won't watch the Dracula with Gary Oldman, because it frightened me so. I don't think it's pornographic or overtly violent, i.e. any more than is needed for a Dracula tale. It's just frightening and I didn't want to see it. If a game scares my kid, I'm not gonna make him play it against his will.

There is no issue of rights or free speech in the actual bill though. All it's trying to do is keep ultra-violent games from kids. They do the same thing with porn. Who's really opposed to that?

But it's about controlling information, in a broad sense. I'm opposed to that. And yeah, games like Doom and even Grand Theft Auto are vastly different compared to pornography. Pornography is easier to get for free when you're a kid, so I don't hope to be able to control my kid's sexuality. Creepy. I hope for them to be well-rounded and realize their potential, as a human.

And we get into more problems when we, as voters, have to elect representatives who can dictate exactly what violence is, whether it is necessary to a narrative, acceptability, and so on.

There's a bigger picture, to, because this law could get on the books simply because of the bankrupt state, but stay on long into prosperity, should it ever return. Then, some douche politician or DA with an axe to grind will use it to hurt people.

Personally, if my kid's got the money, I'm gonna buy whatever video game they want.

DougClayton4231

Sep 21st, 2010, 05:38 PM

You mean you thought Quake was more realistic when you were a kid and didn't know any better, right? Because that's a game where you travel to other dimensions and shoot monsters with an automatic nailgun.

Well, people who don't consider video games and porno to be analogous, for one.

I'm against it because I recognize the bill for what it is: a cynical ploy by politicians who want to distract from the fact that the state has gone bankrupt under their watch. They just need a quick moral panic fix to scare people into reelecting them. Once the elections are over, this issue will disappear. Just you wait.

The other reason I'm against it is because it's completely unnecessary. It has never been easier for a parent to stop their kids from playing inappropriate games than it is right now: Every game has a label and a brief content description on the front and back cover. Each one of those labels contains a URL where you can go to learn more about what's in a certain title. Video and screenshots of any game can be Googled from your mobile phone. And even if all that fails, even if you steadfastly refuse to expend an ounce of effort trying to learn about the media your kids consume, you can use the parental controls on any modern console to block out M-rated games automatically. In short, if your kids can play games you don't want them playing at home, it's on you.

Finally, I don't want law enforcement spending even a moment of their time on this. The idea that you could be working at Best Buy one day, then find yourself fired because you accidentally sold a copy of GoW3 to little Johnny and his holy roller mother threw a fit... that's just pathetic.

But I know all of this is mostly moot because the bill will just be shot down as being unconstitutional, just as it was when they tried it in Illinois, and just as it was when they tried it here years ago.

lol, I meant that the 3D graphics in Quake were more realistic than the sprites in Doom.

I thought that employees could be fired from their jobs for selling anything with any sort of parental advisory to kids already. I do agree that this is just a simple election distraction, but the issue has been around for years. This issue really makes no difference for adults whatsoever, but kids may be put off that they can't purchase an M rated game with a 17 year old anymore.

I highly doubt that law enforcement would get involved anyway. Budget cuts and lethargy have besieged our police for the past two years. How many of them are willing to go arrest some sales clerk at Best Buy or Gamestop.

I do think its odd that we, as Americans feel that porno is more harmful than interactive ultra-violence though. I'm comparing both of the mediums on premise, not actual content though. Videogames have been increasingly filled with more and more violence, blood, gore, sex, and nudity (all of which are inappropriate for kids). Porno is just filled with sex and nudity (to my knowledge, trust me, I don't wanna know if it gets worse than that.) Look at it objectively and tell me that you can't understand the argument of people who have never even played a game. I actually do get where they are coming from, even if they have gone about it in the wrong way over the years.

Dr. Boogie

Sep 21st, 2010, 06:10 PM

I highly doubt that law enforcement would get involved anyway. Budget cuts and lethargy have besieged our police for the past two years. How many of them are willing to go arrest some sales clerk at Best Buy or Gamestop.

By themselves? None. However, if some concerned parent calls and says some clerk broke the law by selling a game to her kid...

I do think its odd that we, as Americans feel that porno is more harmful than interactive ultra-violence though. I'm comparing both of the mediums on premise, not actual content though.

Okay: the premise of pornography is to present the viewer with sexually arousing imagery so as to stimulate sexual activity, either masturbatory or with partner(s).

The premise of video games is to give the player a worthwhile source of interactive entertainment. No jacking.

In short, just because artists in Japan like to depict the ladies of Soul Calibur in compromising situations does not mean games and porno are comparable.

Look at it objectively and tell me that you can't understand the argument of people who have never even played a game. I actually do get where they are coming from, even if they have gone about it in the wrong way over the years.

I have no trouble understanding their arguments, and where they're coming from. The problem is, like you said, they've never played a game. They don't know what they are talking about because any research they do is superficial at best. That's why the people who talk out of their asses on the issue are mocked so relentlessly, like that author who went on Fox News to complain about sex in Mass Effect, then laughingly admitted to never having played the game or even seen the footage she was upset about. By the way, she recanted only after her books were voted down to nothing on Amazon by people using that same logic of "I don't need to know about something to have an opinion on it".

If the law were to go into effect, very little would change. A couple kids might be slightly inconvenienced, but the rest will just get their parents to buy them the games the same way they already are. And again, the parents will not make the connection because it's always someone else's fault. When that happens, they'll dream up some new, more restrictive piece of legislation that will also fail to achieve its intended result, and the cycle will continue.

The Doctor

Sep 21st, 2010, 08:44 PM

The real problem is about half the people in the world are not fit to be parents and should be neutered from the get go, we have so many people in the neighboring city who believe another child is another pay raise and they are the same who plunk their assets in front of a screen be it pc or tv and let it do the parenting, I agree with OxBlood on that one but you have all made great points whether we agree or not especially Fathom pointing out that we all raise our own kids and thank god (or whoever you may look to) for that because your all pretty twisted. And Im sure ill warp my kid in one way or another.

DougClayton4231

Sep 22nd, 2010, 07:38 AM

The premise of video games is to give the player a worthwhile source of interactive entertainment. No jacking.

I'm sure that there has been plenty of jacking to games lol. People will jack to anything. I once had a coworker get fired for jacking off in the middle of a men's restroom.

I do really hope that at least if a law like that one gets passed, it will shift the blame completely to the parents and the child, not the game company. If a child gets hold of MK and decides to try Kung Lao's finisher on one of his classmates, technically it would be felony child endangerment and possibly neglect for giving the kid the damn game.

Dr. Boogie

Sep 23rd, 2010, 12:49 AM

I do really hope that at least if a law like that one gets passed, it will shift the blame completely to the parents and the child, not the game company. If a child gets hold of MK and decides to try Kung Lao's finisher on one of his classmates, technically it would be felony child endangerment and possibly neglect for giving the kid the damn game.

The thing is, if the law doesn't penalize retailers AND provide consequences for parents who buy those games for their kids, it will ultimately fail and be a huge waste of taxpayer money. As it stands now, that's how all these laws are written, and so they are doomed before they have even begun. Also, if a child does try Kung Lao's finishing move, two things will happen: he'll get detention for bopping a classmate with a hat, and everyone will laugh at him for pretending to be Oddjob.

The question to ask here is why is this legislation necessary? Proponents would tell you it's because violent games are bad for our children, but there has yet to be any definitive evidence showing that such games cause violent behavior. Because of that, it's really not practical to enact this kind of ineffective legislation "just to be safe".

Also, I'm moving these posts to the arguing thread.

Zomboid

Sep 23rd, 2010, 12:34 PM

Part of me wants stricter enforcement on the age restrictions so that xbox live isn't always filled with annoying little shits, but I really don't think we're going to see a bunch of little psychopaths emerging simply because they played some violent games or watched some violent movies.

My first R-rated movie was Terminator; I saw that when I was 5. I don't think my parents ever kept me from playing any kind of game, and I had no problems as a result of that. Shit, some of my earliest memories are of playing Wolfenstein and Doom. Most of us grew up playing and watching pretty much whatever we wanted, and we're fine. To be honest, I find the people that were really restricted to be socially awkward and a bit "off" much more frequently than those of us who have grown up with more exposure to the entertainment world.

Seriously, how hard is it to sit your kid down and tell him that what he's watching/playing isn't real, and all of the life lessons that he already knows (such as "don't stab people") still apply.

Dimnos

Sep 23rd, 2010, 03:03 PM

To be honest, I find the people that were really restricted to be socially awkward and a bit "off" much more frequently than those of us who have grown up with more exposure to the entertainment world.

:domo

Dr. Boogie

Sep 23rd, 2010, 04:10 PM

Seriously, how hard is it to sit your kid down and tell him that what he's watching/playing isn't real, and all of the life lessons that he already knows (such as "don't stab people") still apply.

Apparently, it's harder than trying to get the entire world to only put out the types of media that you consider acceptable to show your children.

The Leader

Sep 23rd, 2010, 04:58 PM

For some reason I feel that back in the day when people killed their own food, kids were exposed to a lot more real violence. Strange that society kept on going. Hell, kids hunt for sport with the parents now. I don't see anyone worrying about how actually killing animals for fun affects youth. You'd think that that would have more of an effect than shooting fake guys on TV.

Of course there isn't any causal relationship between hunting and being a lawless psychopath much the same way there is no relationship between playing Doom and school shootings.

Zhukov

Sep 24th, 2010, 10:20 AM

I'm quite happy to generalise and say that rednecks/bogans that hunt are more likely to be crooks than normal people. Also dole bludgers and ignorant of the world they live in.

Fathom Zero

Sep 29th, 2010, 03:14 AM

waheynow

http://www.destructoid.com/mega-man-legends-3-announced-for-3ds--185145.phtml

Phoenix Gamma

Sep 29th, 2010, 06:28 PM

If I were a Capcom exec, I probably wouldn't have greenlighted the sequel, to be honest. Hell, the only way a third game even had a chance was if something like the 3DS came out. The first two games haven't aged well, and were pretty flawed even back then, and sales showed it. Here's hoping this one is better now that Capcom has a better grasp on how to develop 3D games.

Fathom Zero

Sep 29th, 2010, 06:32 PM

I was looking for a copy of the second until I remembered it was fucking expensive. Then I downloaded a copy and found that it's still excellent.

Phoenix Gamma

Sep 29th, 2010, 07:09 PM

*shrug* We'll have to agree to disagree.

Know what really bothers me though? So many goddamn remakes and ports for the system. Star Fox 64, Ocarina of Time, MGS3, Super Street Fighter 4, Tales of the Abyss. I love those games but $300 is a lot to spend on games I already own!

Fathom Zero

Sep 29th, 2010, 07:37 PM

Speaking of which, I wonder how much the carts are gonna be. I'm thinking somewhere upwards of $40.

Guitar Woman

Sep 30th, 2010, 03:57 PM

So after the new TF2 update I can't connect to any servers at all, it just stalls at either "Parsing Server Info" or "Sending Client Info"

The only ones I actually can connect to are disconnected from Steam or crash immediately with the Vertex Buffer bullshit

Goddamnit Valve, is it too much to ask that you don't break your game harder with every single patch

MLE

Sep 30th, 2010, 08:37 PM

Sounds like they're getting tips from Funcom.

King Hadas

Oct 1st, 2010, 06:18 PM

I'm gonna jump into that violent video game argument up there.

I think my problem with the whole thing is the assumption that interactivity makes video games somehow more real but in my opinion video games are probably farther from reality, and therefore less of an influence on our actions, than any other medium. Movies are probably the ones closest to reality or at least what we perceive as reality.

Video game gore at its very best is still not very realistic. Dougclayton posted a video of Johnny Cage being cut vertically in half which looked pretty good; except his guts don't spill out, you don't see his dick flopping around even though his pants have also been cut in half (in fact his pants should slide right off), he splurts blobs of blood rather than bleeds it, his dead arms don't hang like dead arms should, his response to being cut in half is a mild aughhh and most important, even though we just watched Johnny die it's probably unlikely he'll become unplayable and we'll never see him again.

It's not that I don't understand people decrying all this violent imagery, I just don't think the violence in video games is somehow more significant than the violence in other media, it's probably less significant in fact. Can Kratos eviscerating mystical centaurs really compare to those horrible Saw movies where ordinary people are brutalized for crap reasons? I have played only one game in my life where the violence upset me and that was Chiller for the NES, that shit was fucked up.

Dr. Boogie

Oct 1st, 2010, 08:01 PM

If you don't want your kids to see it, that's fine. It's your prerogative, and there are plenty of tools to help you out. Making laws against it, tough, requires something a little more substantial than just a concern parent's opinion.

Plus, as I've said before, no one is really serious about getting legislation out there. Everytime the issue has come up, it's always been some enterprising politician or "expert" trying to make a name for themselves as moral guardians.

Fathom Zero

Oct 1st, 2010, 08:04 PM

In related news, EA's removing the playable Taliban from Medal of Honor because of the shitty parents of dead soldiers.

I'd like to say I just hate America, but stuff's like this elsewhere with certain things.

Dr. Boogie

Oct 1st, 2010, 08:06 PM

I read about that on Destructoid, and one of the commenters stated that it was the right thing to do because the Taliban could've sued for defamation.

Fathom Zero

Oct 1st, 2010, 08:20 PM

wahahaha. If they could spin their case, I'm sure they'd have a valid argument.

I dunno. I'm really bummed about it, because it was looking cool, like something different that no one had really tried before. I was more surprised when people were attacking it and EA was backing it. I thought they had balls. But I guess that people are too emasculated nowadays and back down because someone somewhere might be offended by some thing.

Well, I do know dead soldiers, not that it counts much for me. Not really anybody in my family or anything, but enough to have an impact. If the game hits close to home, it should. War's fucked up. It's not like Modern Warfare 2: The Action Movie where every enemy is a faceless Eastern European. They had a chance to be a little more topical by having the Taliban in the game like that, and they just fucked it up.

I'm too pessimistic, I think. :(

Phoenix Gamma

Oct 1st, 2010, 11:26 PM

I'm pissed that they backed down because it sends a message saying the industry will bend over if you yell at it long enough. I dunno if I agree with the content because I never touched that series, but I support the first amendment and creative freedom, and no one's forced to play it.

At least the publicity would have helped them be noticed. Call of Duty casts a shadow over that franchise now.

Dimnos

Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:46 PM

I understand why they did it. They are a business and they can't go pissing off consumers to the point of losing sales. If you were going to buy the game with the Taliban in it, you will still probably buy the game without it. By keeping them in they would be cutting out sales for all the kids whos parents give a crap about this kind of thing.

However what they should have done was announcethat the Taliban would no longer be in the game but would be replaced by a fictional terrorist group called the Nabilat.

MLE

Oct 2nd, 2010, 03:01 PM

*No relation

Fathom Zero

Oct 2nd, 2010, 03:58 PM

People's tender sensibilities? Violence?

Dr. Boogie

Oct 2nd, 2010, 05:02 PM

I understand why they did it. They are a business and they can't go pissing off consumers to the point of losing sales.

Then why did they do it in the first place? You can't tell me that there is no one at the publisher or the dev who understood that there might be some people offended that they used "Taliban" in their game.

If you were going to buy the game with the Taliban in it, you will still probably buy the game without it. By keeping them in they would be cutting out sales for all the kids whos parents give a crap about this kind of thing.Parents can't even be bothered to check the warning label on a game to see if it has lots of violence. What are the chances that they'll know that some of the enemies in a multiplayer game are called "Taliban"?

What I hate about this whole scenario is that it's making me want to defend what was so clearly a publicity stunt on the part of EA. Just as "No Russian" garnered tons of publicity for MW2 and "Bad Babysitter" garnered tons of publicity for Dante's Inferno, calling their multiplayer skins "Taliban" has generated new interest in MoH.

I'm worried about the same thing that Phoenix mentioned: that this stupid stunt and the retraction that followed will embolden all the special interest groups out there with the message that if they whine hard enough and loud enough, they too can have their will imposed on the industry.

Thanks a lot, EA, you sacks of shit.

And yes, I know MW2 is Activision, not EA.

The Doctor

Oct 2nd, 2010, 09:10 PM

What happened to the days when games like Bionic Commando was chalk full of Nazi references....of course the American version did have all that removed...so I guess there was no good old days.

Dr. Boogie

Oct 2nd, 2010, 09:17 PM

Ah, but they did leave in the ultra-obvious headshot. Along with the surprisingly graphic head explosion.

The Doctor

Oct 2nd, 2010, 09:25 PM

Very true and even at a young age I felt that black bird insignia on the red back drop looked a tad ominous.

Phoenix Gamma

Oct 2nd, 2010, 10:48 PM

Wolfenstein 3D had straight up Robo Hitler. So all the good ol' days were back in 1992 :lol

Dimnos

Oct 4th, 2010, 10:52 AM

What happened to the days when games like Bionic Commando was chalk full of Nazi references....of course the American version did have all that removed...so I guess there was no good old days.

The difference here is that Nazis are and were a thing of the past. Where the Taliban are currently killing peoples kids.

Zhukov

Oct 12th, 2010, 09:40 PM

Yeah but if you read some comics from the 40s then you'll see plenty of Nazis getting blown to pieces. AIIIIIII!!!

Zomboid

Oct 13th, 2010, 11:22 AM

Correct. Captain America and Namor fought the war on land and the sea. If I'm remembering my history correctly, we sent in Wolverine to help out with some key operations.

Tadao

Oct 14th, 2010, 03:39 PM

So I have Silent Hill 1 and 2 on my computer. 1 wasn't made for the computer and it plays like shit, also the graphics are way old. Is it worth playing 1 or should I just move on to 2?

The Doctor

Oct 14th, 2010, 05:28 PM

So I have Silent Hill 1 and 2 on my computer. 1 wasn't made for the computer and it plays like shit, also the graphics are way old. Is it worth playing 1 or should I just move on to 2?

I received a copy of one for my computer a few years back, it was painful to play, I would move onto two.

10,000 Volt Ghost

Oct 15th, 2010, 10:38 AM

Correct. Captain America and Namor fought the war on land and the sea. If I'm remembering my history correctly, we sent in Wolverine to help out with some key operations.

I had to do a double take when you said "we sent in wolverine".

Dimnos

Oct 15th, 2010, 07:45 PM

So I have Silent Hill 1 and 2 on my computer. 1 wasn't made for the computer and it plays like shit, also the graphics are way old. Is it worth playing 1 or should I just move on to 2?

One its a good game and normally worth at least one play through. If it runs like shit though your probably better off skipping it. Two was way better anyway. Probably the best in the series.

Fathom Zero

Nov 10th, 2010, 12:50 AM

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:tear

Guitar Woman

Nov 10th, 2010, 02:02 PM

Silent Hill 1 is the best game in the series. If you don't play it, you're mega-gay.

The computer emulated version runs like shit if you try to put the settings too high; it won't look any better anyway, so just keep the graphic quality down.

Shadowdancer21b

Nov 19th, 2010, 12:39 PM

I agree it's the best. Especially since they put in things JUST TO SCARE YOU in random places. I also liked the harmless shadow/ghost things. That was a great atmospheric touch.

10,000 Volt Ghost

Nov 19th, 2010, 05:27 PM

I don't remember what the kid things that followed you around were called but we called them chili chitlins.

ellyka112

Nov 22nd, 2010, 05:58 AM

1) If people are flaming you, you were doing something considered rude by them, they're pricks, or you're just a bastard.

2) Anyone with the mental competancy equivalent to that of someone with assburgers knows safe internet usage. You shouldn't let 6 year old Timmy play online with the big people on Halo anyway.

3) Strangers with candy is the best.

I mean that both ways.
lol.....its not spelled assburgers.......its spelled "aspergers".............thats the funniest shit ive seen someone spell wrong in a long time.........learn to check your spelling.....or not and keep the laughs coming :D

IM A SPAMBOT LOL

10,000 Volt Ghost

Nov 22nd, 2010, 08:58 AM

T-100 of spambots

Zhukov

Nov 22nd, 2010, 09:49 AM

Ban it............ or not and keep the laughs comin' :picklehat

Phoenix Gamma

Nov 24th, 2010, 04:01 PM

So someone's been doing some research: Awhile back, Bobby Kotick said he wanted to charge people a fee to play Call of Duty, and would do it if he could. Later, he said that Activision doesn't get any of Microsoft's XBLA fees even though 60% of the users play CoD.

Microsoft announced the price for fees would go up, effective about a week before Black Ops. Now Kotick is saying Activision gets a "modest portion" of XBLA fees and Activision is suddenly saying they'll never charge CoD fees.

It's been theorized that there's a correlation between Activision, Black Ops, and the price hike. It also confirms that even if you don't play CoD, you're still giving money to Activision if you're paying the higher XBLA fees. Not that "Activision likes money" is fucking news, but still..

I don't own that console because I like machines that don't break, but I'd be pretty pissed if I did. I swear, Kotick needs to be lynched.

Chojin

Nov 29th, 2010, 03:26 PM

yeah i don't rly see a need to turn on my 360 ever again now that i have a ps3

mostly because i like menus that aren't designed by retards, not having to pay twice to use the internet, and being able to hear my TV over the system fans

it's kinda a shame that the C#/XNA suite only integrates with 360

MLE

Nov 29th, 2010, 08:13 PM

You should let that 360 be put to a better use then :>

Chojin

Nov 29th, 2010, 10:08 PM

it's kinda a shame that the C#/XNA suite only integrates with 360

also i already have lots of modern games for it; in the future i'll be buying the ps3 port when available, though

Nick

Dec 1st, 2010, 02:24 PM

Chojin likes having no games.

Fathom Zero

Dec 1st, 2010, 02:42 PM

The PS3 has great games. That ain't the issue, methinks.

executioneer

Dec 1st, 2010, 03:01 PM

I don't own that console because I like machines that don't break

um

MLE

Dec 1st, 2010, 09:04 PM

Also when you said C#/XNA, I couldn't think of anything else that made sense other than Cena.

10,000 Volt Ghost

Dec 2nd, 2010, 10:46 AM

PS3 IS LIKE THE MARINE OF VIDEOGAME SYSTEMS.

Dimnos

Dec 2nd, 2010, 11:01 AM

No kidding. Last year around this time I bought a brand fucking new 360. Its already having problems with the DVD drive. >: If this one craps out Im not buying another one. In fact I will never buy another Microsoft gaming system again. I would even get rid of windows if Linux would actually run anything. :\

Fathom Zero

Dec 2nd, 2010, 11:08 AM

I bought the newest Arcades from the last Xbox 360 and, if a game's being played from the hard drive, it's completely silent. I install every game because I don't want my DVD drive to fuck up. That's what went wrong on my first 360.

executioneer

Dec 2nd, 2010, 11:29 AM

PS3 IS LIKE THE MARINE OF VIDEOGAME SYSTEMS.
do you mean the ps3 believes the necronomicon is a real book

that was marine, right, or am i thinking of someone else

10,000 Volt Ghost

Dec 2nd, 2010, 11:31 AM

I meant the PS3 is like http://www.cinemablend.com/images/reviews/2104/main.jpg

executioneer

Dec 2nd, 2010, 11:34 AM

oh you're saying the ps3 is terrible, ok

Fathom Zero

Dec 2nd, 2010, 11:58 AM

the ps3 is the robocop of movies

10,000 Volt Ghost

Dec 4th, 2010, 10:44 AM

Because I forgot which thread has people talking about their hours playing videogames. Y'all a bunch of newbs. I've maxed out the 99:99:99 game clock on at least FF VII through FFIX MULTIPLE times. FFX was around 150 - 160 hours.

stevetothepast

Dec 4th, 2010, 10:50 AM

I've got about 2 and a 1/2 weeks gameplay on world at war. Gawd-dammit I used to play that shit a lot.

Zhukov

Dec 5th, 2010, 08:30 AM

It feels like I've been playing Civ V for years. Does that count?

I tell myself that it's the last turn and I need to go to bed and get some sleep before I go to work... and then my alarm goes off telling me to get up and go to work. I haven't had much sleep these past months.

In other news, I don't think I'll buy any new Microsoft console, but then again I wont buy a new Sony one. Nintendo is a maybe. I'd rather save the thousands of dollars I waste on consoles for something I might use more often.

Dimnos

Dec 6th, 2010, 11:12 AM

I have about a month and a half of gameplay in LoL. :\ Not sure how I feel about that.

Nick

Dec 6th, 2010, 02:22 PM

Fathom Zero

Dec 6th, 2010, 02:58 PM

I got tired of video games when I got into high school. I bought lots of movies instead. You'll probably come back to it.

10,000 Volt Ghost

Dec 6th, 2010, 03:41 PM

I stopped playing video games actively from 2005 to about 2009. Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 was my downfall.

Pentegarn

Dec 6th, 2010, 04:41 PM

I'm start to lose interest in video games. I'm not sure if its because I'm older now, or that my job is making me too tired to put in the effort to play them, but I just don't play as much as I used to. I wish I had more free time, or better control over my cash to stop buying every new, high profile game that comes out.

That happened to me awhile ago. I still play hand held games (PSP DS) because I can do that while I am doing other stuff. If I have time at home I play mostly older system games (revisiting Shining Force 2)

Nick

Dec 6th, 2010, 06:18 PM

I've done the same thing with movies as well, you know. I still buy them, because I enjoy owning them. It just takes me forever to actually watch them.

Fathom Zero

Dec 14th, 2010, 05:27 PM

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This looks like it could be good.

stevetothepast

Dec 14th, 2010, 06:37 PM

yeah it does look promising.

caffman

Dec 15th, 2010, 01:48 PM

My main problem is I have too many games that I need to complete (or even start) and I keep buying more! ARRRRRGGGHHHH!!!!

Fathom Zero

Dec 16th, 2010, 03:12 PM

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This look'n good too, omg.

Dr. Boogie

Dec 16th, 2010, 04:29 PM

It does look good, but if it doesn't play good, it's crap.

If it turns out to be another QTE fest like Heavy Rain, I'll pass.

Schimid

Dec 16th, 2010, 06:42 PM

Homefront is getting my hopes higher than it has any right to.

Brink, too.

Fathom Zero

Dec 16th, 2010, 08:03 PM

I'm kinda psyched for Brink. It looks really slick - kinda gives off a Mirror's Edge vibe, to me.

Dimnos

Dec 22nd, 2010, 02:51 PM

Anyone play this new Tron game?

Fathom Zero

Jan 12th, 2011, 07:38 PM

So how many of you dickbags are gonna get Bulletstorm? I'm trying to decide whether to get it for the PC or the 360.

Fathom Zero

Jan 24th, 2011, 11:03 AM

This League of Legends is boring as shit. But it is free, so whatev.

Dr. Boogie

Jan 24th, 2011, 11:20 PM

Immortal Goat

Jan 24th, 2011, 11:59 PM

I'm actually looking to get a better PC sometime soon, and then getting DC Universe Online. Looked good to me, and it'd be a nice departure from WoW (I still play it :( ).

But yeah, system requirements for most games nowadays almost make it so buying the XBox version of the game is the more financially responsible thing to do. 60 bucks for a version that will definitely play, vs. $God knows how much to upgrade the system to the point you can max the settings out.

Fathom Zero

Jan 25th, 2011, 04:39 AM

I might get the PC version of Bulletstorm, but I'm going to wait until I've heard enough reviews about it first, seeing as they have no plans to release a PC demo.

I miss the days when meeting the requirements on the box meant a game would run well for sure.

It's the Unreal engine at the heart of it though, so it should be really scalable depending on what ya have. I think it'll be alright. I'm excited for it, but I can't say exactly why. Hah.

Fathom Zero

Jan 27th, 2011, 08:16 AM

http://kotaku.com/5744686/a-visual-guide-to-the-ngp

This actually looks pretty good. Thumbsticks and touchscreens, awww yeah

Zomboid

Jan 27th, 2011, 01:44 PM

There's also an article on gamesradar that points out how your touching the screen will obscure everything.

Fathom Zero

Jan 27th, 2011, 01:58 PM

games have been on touchscreens before

Zomboid

Jan 27th, 2011, 02:34 PM

Yeah, and I'm not a fan. It's way too easy to block things off.

Sam

Jan 27th, 2011, 05:00 PM

IF I WANT TO TOUCH SOMETHING NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY WITH, IT WILL BE MY DICK.

NOT SOME $300 SONY DILDO. >:

Sam

Jan 28th, 2011, 11:57 PM

I'M GLAD NO ONE WANTS TO ARGUE THAT POINT. >:

Guitar Woman

Feb 1st, 2011, 03:09 PM

Is Goldeneye Wii any good? I was pretty much sold on it until I saw that it was modeled on Call of Duty; I moved it down to rental priority because even though CoD has cocksuck shit horrible multiplayer, I've always enjoyed the single-player campaigns. Of course, since they're absolutely riddled with scripted events that are never as cool the second time around, I usually play the campaigns once, play the sniping level two or three times, then give the game back to whoever I was mooching it from; so, it's a perfect rental game. But you can't actually rent games anymore, since Netflix has sacked, razed, and looted every chain of video stores in the multiverse, so it is up to you, the viewer, to decide Guitar Woman's destiny.

Basically, if I like shooting people on the internet, liked Goldeneye 64, do not like the colors gray, light brown, or dark brown, and do not like the act of crouching behind concrete barriers for 30 hours waiting for the other guy to poke his head out from behind his concrete barrier, each of us trying to out-bore the other, would I enjoy the new Goldeneye?

Phoenix Gamma

Feb 6th, 2011, 12:26 AM

Goldeneye Wii is stright up Call of Duty, right down to the ironsights zoom (I think they use a different name for it), but you need to sneak around at times. I say "at times" cause there are a lot of scenarios where people will see you from a fucking mile away from behind cover.

That, and I hate "Daniel Craig's" Jason Bou-...James Bond. But the game is tweaked to that style using the CoD engine, so it depends on your tastes. I personally think a lot of reviews were way too generous, and I think the game is really bland and a little lazy (the night club level doesn't have dancers. It has 2D, Mode 7-esque silhouettes. This shit wouldn't fly on the fucking PS2. The whole game looks like a blah PS2 game.)

Multiplayer is just CoD, right down to getting experience points for unlocking weapons.

Some people might be more forgiving and like it. I personally don't.

Fathom Zero

Feb 16th, 2011, 10:57 AM

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hey, big man with the thing that is happening

Grislygus

Feb 16th, 2011, 12:13 PM

Wow, I had no idea about this pixel force shenanigans going on here

I am addicted to the Left 4 Dead one, holy shit

If they changed the controls and put this on an nes cartridge I would actually BUY it

MLE

Feb 16th, 2011, 07:50 PM

Mention that to Orange Juice Bruce and you might get your wish!

Supafly345

Feb 16th, 2011, 07:58 PM

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Probably the most emotionally exploitative, and well directed trailer for a video game I can remember ever seeing- and its about zombies.
I can't believe a game called DEAD ISLAND could pull this off without making me want to crack up.

Also I probably will not play this.

Dr. Boogie

Feb 17th, 2011, 09:55 PM

On another note, Dead Space 2 completely failed to scare me and I'm at chapter 11. Do I have anything to look forward to or should I just stop playing?

In terms of scares, no. There's a moment near the end where they have you do something that will make you wince, but that's it.

DougClayton4231

Feb 18th, 2011, 08:59 AM

Fathom Zero

Feb 18th, 2011, 09:05 AM

A series of two games. Wooo.

Dr. Boogie

Feb 18th, 2011, 02:05 PM

Is there anything else to look forward to in terms of gameplay? The best part of the game so far was when that giant mutant thing tries to kill you about forty-seven times after it drags you into outer space. I like being able to stomp squishy things. It's probably the highlight of the whole monotonous series by now.

Easy now.

I'm not really sure what you're asking for at this point. There's more challenging combat scenarios ahead, but if your favorite moment was one of the QTE-type shooting events, I don't know what to tell you.

darkvare

Feb 18th, 2011, 02:48 PM

A series of two games. Wooo.three

Dr. Boogie

Feb 18th, 2011, 02:59 PM

And two animated features.

Fathom Zero

Feb 18th, 2011, 03:43 PM

Actually, there are five games, but the original just got it it's first legit sequel.

darkvare

Feb 18th, 2011, 03:51 PM

i don't like how ea is whoring isaac clarke on everything they can now though they made his suit for mys sims a dragon age armor a skin on dante's inferno what's next?

Dr. Boogie

Feb 18th, 2011, 04:13 PM

EA just wants to get everything they possibly can out of the series, hence all the offshoot games, books, animated features, etc.

Actually, there are five games, but the original just got it it's first legit sequel.

Aren't there just the three regular games and the one downloadable one?

Fathom Zero

Feb 18th, 2011, 04:22 PM

Dead Space 1 & 2, Extraction, Ignition, and Dead Space for the iOS, which is mad decent from what I've heard.

DougClayton4231

Feb 18th, 2011, 08:50 PM

Are there any other scenes with those annoying monsters that run and hide instead of eating your face? Because if there are, I'm done.

I don't understand why people are fapping over any of the Dead Space games. All of them are knock-offs of far more enjoyable games.

So I guess I'm about done with my 360 until Duke Nukem and Mortal Kombat come out.

Fathom Zero

Feb 18th, 2011, 09:26 PM

Dr. Boogie

Feb 18th, 2011, 11:12 PM

Are there any other scenes with those annoying monsters that run and hide instead of eating your face? Because if there are, I'm done.

Find a spot with a fairly long straightway leading into a wall, put your back against that wall, and wait. They will come to you down that aisle.

And you are being a troll at this point, what with the nonstop, nonspecific complaining. Just quit, either the game or your bitching.

MLE

Feb 18th, 2011, 11:13 PM

If I could facebook-style like a post, I would like your post.

Dimnos

Feb 19th, 2011, 11:15 AM

In 2008 or whenever, Dead Space, hands down, beat the shit out of Resident Evil 5 for me. It was a far more enjoyable game. If you don't like the games, fine. Just trade them in and quit being a bridge troll.

RE5s multiplayer gave it a lot more replayability. Other than that Im inclined to agree Dead Space was the better game.

Guitar Woman

Feb 19th, 2011, 01:52 PM

I had to replace my Nintendo 64 that I've had since 1996 the other day. It felt like shooting my dog. :(

Fathom Zero

Feb 19th, 2011, 02:02 PM

RE5s multiplayer gave it a lot more replayability. Other than that Im inclined to agree Dead Space was the better game.

Multiplayer is the only way to play it. The Sheva AI was terrible for me - I remember it vividly. And a game that you can only play with two live people really isn't good for me. I still haven't beaten it, nor do I really care to. I could never make it through that fight with Wesker. Not that I tried really hard, mind. It was just tough with a partner that was useless. It was pretty, though.

But I love more than anything the fact that the Dead Spaces don't have cutscenes that separate you from Issac. The fact that you're constantly connected to him through the RIG's HUD and you're always on his shoulder was really cool. The animations were great, the ragdolly physics weren't, (excepting the zero-gravity stuff, which was great), and the sound design is literally the best I've ever heard in a video game.

Also, I really like Issac's character in the 2nd, too. But then maybe I'm a sucker for stories with tortured protagonists. It didn't take anything away, for me, as I was already pretty sympathetic to him when he was all but silent in the first.

10,000 Volt Ghost

Feb 19th, 2011, 03:31 PM

Dylan, we should play RE5 then. Its just fun to play through. I've gone through it at least 5 or 6 times completely with different people.

Dr. Boogie

Feb 19th, 2011, 03:35 PM

I'd like to second that by saying that multiplayer added playability to RE5. The fact that you had to be so careful with what resources you gave to your AI packmule meant that I only wound up giving her stuff I wouldn't mind losing. And it was made all the worse knowing that in RE4, you could just stow your companion in a dumpster while you took care of business.

Fathom Zero

Feb 19th, 2011, 03:56 PM

Dylan, we should play RE5 then. Its just fun to play through. I've gone through it at least 5 or 6 times completely with different people.

I only own it on the computer. It was 3.75 or something on Steam one day and I figured it might've been worth it.

10,000 Volt Ghost

Feb 19th, 2011, 04:33 PM

Awwwwwwwww :(

Dr. Boogie

Feb 19th, 2011, 05:05 PM

Well shit. I own the PC version, but only the GFWL version.

Fathom Zero

Feb 19th, 2011, 05:41 PM

It's the same. Any game that uses GFWL that is sold on Steam has both the GFWL and the Steam overlay.

Two overlays. >:

10,000 Volt Ghost

Feb 19th, 2011, 05:45 PM

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Dr. Boogie

Feb 22nd, 2011, 04:50 PM

It's the same. Any game that uses GFWL that is sold on Steam has both the GFWL and the Steam overlay.

Two overlays. >:

I have the retail version, though. Straight GFWL.

Guitar Woman

Feb 23rd, 2011, 10:15 PM

Can't everyone just agree that Steam's good enough to be ubiquitous, and have every PC game ever be integrated with it?

Especially Blizzard. I hate hate hate battle.net.

Dr. Boogie

Feb 23rd, 2011, 10:44 PM

It's a tough call on GFWL. On the one hand, I like being able to play PC games and earn cheevos tied to my XBLA account. On the other hand, I like my PC games to work.

Fathom Zero

Feb 23rd, 2011, 11:24 PM

It's never bothered me any. Really, as much as Steam has bothered me, which is never. But maybe I put up with a lot without knowing.

Dr. Boogie

Feb 24th, 2011, 12:42 AM

Some guy on a forum claimed that Steam made his computer run less great, but I haven't noticed anything like that with mine.

Mt only real issue with Steam, apart from not giving you extra copies of games when you get them again through package deals, is what happens when they decide to move on to the next big thing. There's no sign of this happening anytime in the foreseeable future, but I do wonder what will happen with all these download-only games once the company stops providing hosting space.

Fathom Zero

Feb 24th, 2011, 12:59 AM

The same can be said of any downloadable game, really. And it does suck. The only thing I could say is to copy all of the game data and eventually someone'll work up a patch if Steam doesn't exist anymore.

It's like that for a lot of old games, too. People'll figure it out if that happens.

Dr. Boogie

Feb 24th, 2011, 01:01 AM

Oh yeah, I don't mean I'm only worried about it with Steam. I do wonder what will happen with consoles, though. I'm guessing the end result in that case will be having to mod your console and pirating the discontinued games.

Fathom Zero

Feb 24th, 2011, 01:02 AM

Or they'll just be emulated on the supercomputers of the future. :eek

Dr. Boogie

Feb 24th, 2011, 01:29 AM

Foo on optimism.

Fathom Zero

Feb 24th, 2011, 02:01 AM

Man cannot exceed speeds of thirty miles an hour, or surely he will perish! :posh

Tadao

Feb 24th, 2011, 02:30 AM

Steam can only be as awesome as it's CEO's are awesome. If they took on every PC game, they would only expand their man power as far as they can stretch a dollar. This is why they have already let a small percentage down. They, like any company, can't handle the whole world.

Dimnos

Jun 5th, 2011, 12:02 AM

Some of you proabably already know, but I just found out! Metal Gear, Zone of Enders, and Silent Hill HD collections announced! :eek

http://www.destructoid.com/metal-gear-solid-zone-of-enders-hd-collection-revealed-202710.phtml

http://www.destructoid.com/silent-hill-hd-collection-also-coming-ngp-title-teased-202713.phtml

Fathom Zero

Jun 5th, 2011, 07:16 AM

I am excited. So fucking stooooooooked. Especially the ZoE stuff. And I'll finally have a chance to play Peacewalker - yayayayayayayay

Phoenix Gamma

Jun 6th, 2011, 06:15 PM

Peace Walker is so fucking good. I was totally hooked on it when it came out, and Konami needed to recoup losses because they used as many people to make it as MGS4, but forgot no one buys PSP games.

Also, Kinect is fucking ruining E3 for me so far. Microsoft's conference was shit, and Kinect snuck into EA's and Ubisoft's conferences as well. I don't need Kinect in Mass Effect 3. Cut it out. Microsoft pulled a full-on "2008 Nintendo" this year with the only two not-awful games being Halo HD Remix and Halo 4 (do people even care about Halo anymore? I thought that's what Gears of War and Call of Duty were for...)

I'm pulling for Nintendo and Sony this year, but Sony has a FIVE HOUR PRESENTATION WHAT

Dimnos

Jun 6th, 2011, 11:30 PM

I stopped caring about Halo after 2, GoW after the first, and CoD after Word at War. :\

Fathom Zero

Jun 7th, 2011, 03:03 PM

k0k0

Jun 7th, 2011, 09:49 PM

It's like nintendo said "Remember when everyone complained that the original xbox controllers were big? Well get a load of this!". It's just too big and bulky looking. I haven't personally handled it but it doesn't look like something I would want to be holding for hours on end. Plus the screen, although having a dimmer, will be bright and distracting in a dark room when I'm playing a game. And I don't like the idea of breaking immersion by looking down at my hands every few minutes. I hate how everything is changing now... kinect, move, wii, wii u... they're ruining my games! I just want a regular controller and tv with some pretty things to look at on it.

OxBlood

Jun 9th, 2011, 05:11 AM

That whole giant Screenthing makes no real sense to me. I know they love to shove the menus on these things but it not necessary at all. You have to look away from the action on the screen when looking at your controler, same thing happens when you just open a menu on the TV so that´s completely useless.

Apart from the fact that that thing is gigantic and looks totally uncomfortable to hold. The funny thing is, in that strange Propaganda Interview between Iwata and Miyamoto, Iwata asks "so it´s kind of like a classic controller with a screen?" and that´s EXACTLY what it is. It just makes no sense. Sure, you can make games tailored for something like that, but those will feel as forced and wrong as the whole whaggle-stuff they did with the Wii.
Best example for me: Monster Hunter. Sure, you can play it with the Remote and Nunchuck but who in their right mind wants to do that when you can just grab a controller? Works perfectly fine, as it has for the last 20 years.

I don´t get it. Gimmicky and useless. AND expensive to replace once your tablet-controllerthing breaks which it will after a few years I guess.

10,000 Volt Ghost

Jun 10th, 2011, 10:41 AM

I want to see the price for the controller. Cuz if you got a friend who wants to play.

Fathom Zero

Jun 10th, 2011, 11:03 AM

It's only one controller per console that can be connected. Otherwise, it's all Wiimotes.

Stupid.

Dr. Boogie

Jun 10th, 2011, 12:52 PM

The Wii U controller doesn't seem that new to me. They just combined a couple of features from Sony's stuff, namely a gyroscopic controller and a handheld with Video Out.

I think the controller will be written off as a gimmick, but I'm anxious to see whether the new console will be enough to entice more 3rd-party development. Real 3rd-party development, not endless sequels to "Carnival Games".

Phoenix Gamma

Jun 10th, 2011, 04:51 PM

I eventually warmed up to the Wiimote and nunchuk fucked-up controller scheme of the Wii, but I didn't think it was that good. But I really really don't like this new hot mess, myself.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/718/wiiu1.jpg

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the weight, coz the thing looks heavy, but I'm sure they'll work wizardry or something for it. It still looks ungainly.

It reminds me of a Sega Pico and VMU smashed together.

But yeah, it'll sell or something.
I've seen videos of people holding it. It's actually a lot smaller than it appears in photos. Smaller than an iPad, for sure. Also, Nintendo spent months designing the plastic wheel to Mario Kart Wii to get the weight just right. They're super obsessive about that shit.

It's only one controller per console that can be connected. Otherwise, it's all Wiimotes.

Stupid.

Just for now. Miyamoto says it's entirely possible to do more, or bring one to a friend's.

Dr. Boogie

Jun 10th, 2011, 05:34 PM

Destructoid ran a preview piece about a new Kinect shooter called "Blackwater", about the PMC of the same name, but took it down because of all the people saying they hate the company.

Seems like a weird decision, seeing as no one was mad at the guy who wrote it.

Fathom Zero

Jun 11th, 2011, 07:44 AM

Also, Nintendo spent months designing the plastic wheel to Mario Kart Wii to get the weight just right.
lol. I hated the wheel and the way it felt. I had to hold it with my fingertips like a frisbee because of my long hands. It sounds like I'll have the opposite problem, then. Also, the people that've seen it in person said it's like seven or eight wiimotes sat beside one another - that's pretty big to me. But if it's held like a skateboard, I suppose it doesn't matter. It's just going to be another Nintendo peripheral to me, left in a stack of wheels and guns and 3rd party wiimotes and straps and chargers and cords and every other Nintendo doohickey I own.

Fathom Zero

Jun 14th, 2011, 03:57 PM

http://www.destructoid.com/rumor-timesplitters-4-to-appear-on-next-gen-consoles-203756.phtml

no wai

OxBlood

Jun 20th, 2011, 06:35 AM

Also, Nintendo spent months designing the plastic wheel to Mario Kart Wii to get the weight just right. They're super obsessive about that shit.

What? They actually spent time designing that useless piece of plastic? You know how I play Mario Kart? With the classic controller. As one should :\

Chojin

Jun 20th, 2011, 04:54 PM

What? They actually spent time designing that useless piece of plastic? You know how I play Mario Kart? With the classic controller. As one should :\

if you're some kinda fag with something to prove

my first console had one button and a flight stick, yet i don't get all gay for retro controllers. follow my example, deutschbag.

OxBlood

Jun 21st, 2011, 03:11 AM

if you're some kinda fag with something to prove

my first console had one button and a flight stick, yet i don't get all gay for retro controllers. follow my example, deutschbag.

Rather creative use of my nationality, I´ll give you that. Still, "Normal" Controllers aren´t retro, they are the tried and true way of playing Videogames. Apart from railshooters and the odd game that uses a pointer, there´s no reason to replace them with Kinect or Move or Wii-waggling yet. Why? Because it´s not an improvement. Controller-design seems to have peaked with the 360-controller though that thing is still far from perfect, it´s about the best controller we have right now in terms of usability and haptics.

Just so that we´re clear, I do own a Wii and I play with the Wiimote if the game won´t let me play it with the CC, BUT in most cases the Wiimote is a gimmick and not the optimal way to control most games, apart from some that are specifically tailored towards the Wiimote. Most games aren´t. Even Mario Galaxy (which is an awesome game btw) could be played more effectively with the CC and Nintendo knew that. Which is why they implemented the star-shooting feature.

Guitar Woman

Jun 21st, 2011, 01:31 PM

The classic controller isn't really retro, though, it's basically the Xbox/PlayStation layout.

Which every controller should adhere to by law, because it works perfectly well 100% of the time.

Dr. Boogie

Jun 21st, 2011, 02:16 PM

Except on FPSs, at which point you go to keyboard + mouse. When are devs just doing to add K&B support for their console titles? PCs added controller support without too much trouble.

Guitar Woman

Jun 21st, 2011, 02:46 PM

I thought the PS3 did something like that already?

Only for like 5 games, I mean, but it would be cool if they made it universal.

Chojin

Jun 21st, 2011, 03:29 PM

the best combo i've found thus far is g13+mouse. the only game in my entire library that supports the analog features of the g13 is star trek online, however. for some reason, the source engine will let you map an analog controller to digital buttons but will still treat it as digital input, which is the queerest shit.

Chojin

Jun 21st, 2011, 03:35 PM

The classic controller isn't really retro, though, it's basically the Xbox/PlayStation layout.

Which every controller should adhere to by law, because it works perfectly well 100% of the time.

not really; i find having the analog sticks at the bottom of the controller annoying because i always accidentally hit them. for games that don't use the digital pad, you're then holding the controller at a stupid angle to use the sticks.

360 probably has the best traditional console controller. my point to whats-his-fuck though is that in gaming's past, the controller would be developed in tandem with a game. now, software is designed long after the controller comes out and has to awkwardly conform to it. part of what i liked about the wii's promise was a return to the "retro" ideology of an industry that sells experiences instead of software (what happened in actuality is that faggots couldn't deal and were so nestled in their gamepad niche that they just mapped gamepad controls and tacked on waggle, probably because nintendo made them make a concession).

Phoenix Gamma

Jun 21st, 2011, 09:35 PM

The classic controller isn't really retro, though, it's basically the Xbox/PlayStation layout.

Which every controller should adhere to by law, because it works perfectly well 100% of the time.

More like SNES controller but with two extra triggers and two joysticks...which would be the PS1 controller...BUT IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT SHUT UP >:>:>:

Guitar Woman

Jun 21st, 2011, 10:07 PM

that's why I said basically

I don't think console similarity is in any way a bad thing; that way I care less about which console I get and more about the actual games for a change

Unfortunately there haven't been any good video games since goddamn 2007 for some reason

Phoenix Gamma

Jun 21st, 2011, 11:17 PM

Portal 2. Uncharted 2. Arkham Asylum. Mass Effect 2. Super Street Fighter 4. Super Mario Galaxy 2. Punch Out Wii. Left 4 Dead. World of Goo. Super Meatboy. Mario and Luigi 3. The Professor Layton series. Valkyria Chronicles. Fallout 3.

To name a few :posh

Guitar Woman

Jun 21st, 2011, 11:20 PM

I could go through and cherry pick things to complain about, but I'll just say "ok there have been like 5, shut up"

OxBlood

Jun 24th, 2011, 04:06 AM

I don't think console similarity is in any way a bad thing; that way I care less about which console I get and more about the actual games for a change

That´s the only question in my mind when it comes to videogames. I didn´t buy a PS3 because I wanted a PS3, I bought it because I wanted to play InFamous :lol

10,000 Volt Ghost

Jun 24th, 2011, 10:30 AM

THERES BEEN RESIDENT EVIL 5

King Hadas

Jun 24th, 2011, 05:42 PM

Unfortunately there haven't been any good video games since goddamn 2007 for some reason
This probably has more to do with your age than anything else. You're not a child anymore so games just don't ignite your imagination like they used to. At least that's how it is for me.

Guitar Woman

Jun 24th, 2011, 07:22 PM

Yeah, that's what I keep thinking, but the brownangray cavalcade of grimdark space and/or regular marines probably isn't helping.

Nick

Jun 26th, 2011, 06:39 PM

This thread is about 65 to 75 percent Guitar Woman.

Guitar Woman

Jun 26th, 2011, 06:54 PM

Oh yeah? Well your face is about 60 to 75 percent UGLY

Nick

Jun 26th, 2011, 08:57 PM

Are you trying to hit on me?

King Hadas

Jun 27th, 2011, 10:56 PM

What is the best looking video game console? In my opinion it's the Gamecube. I like how it's compact and yet unlike the wii feels totally solid. Also violet was a bold color choice, consoles are usually either white or black.

Guitar Woman

Jun 27th, 2011, 11:03 PM

I like the way the front of the N64 is shaped. It's like some kind of pagan shrine.

Fathom Zero

Jun 27th, 2011, 11:07 PM

What is the best looking video game console? In my opinion it's the Gamecube.

Strangely, I have to agree with this.

Esuohlim

Jun 28th, 2011, 03:22 AM

What is the best looking video game console? In my opinion it's the Gamecube.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mhxERKBHyTM/TIZJtENIGLI/AAAAAAAAAJ8/xw6nCZjXEj8/s320/Virtual+Boy.jpg

fuckers

Shit looks ready to start walking around your living room

Chojin

Jun 28th, 2011, 04:01 AM

best-looking? my vote is for the PSX

http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/20031007/psx01.jpg

runner-up is the small PSone

http://www.gaming-age.com/news3/may2k/psone/PSone_2.jpg

Nick

Jun 29th, 2011, 02:09 PM

Is that a phone? Do you play it with a phone?

10,000 Volt Ghost

Jun 30th, 2011, 03:05 PM

http://www.rolentapress.com/rolenta/collection/nintendo/nes2.jpg

Bubsy

Jul 1st, 2011, 03:35 AM

^^^^ WTF is that!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pentegarn

Jul 1st, 2011, 06:09 AM

The NES they made to look like an SNES

10,000 Volt Ghost

Jul 1st, 2011, 09:22 AM

It came out as like 2nd generation NES. The cartridge sticks out of the top like a sore thumb though.

Dimnos

Jul 1st, 2011, 01:06 PM

Does it play NES games? That is the only important thing.

executioneer

Jul 1st, 2011, 01:15 PM

from what I remember hearing the top-loading NES actually played games more reliably than the old have-to-blow-on-the-contacts-and-pray one

10,000 Volt Ghost

Jul 1st, 2011, 01:31 PM

Yeah, they worked pretty well. The cartridge fits into the system like the genesis except it looks all goofy. Like playing a Gameboy game on a GBA system.

Pentegarn

Jul 1st, 2011, 05:49 PM

I just said fuck it and bought the generic system that plays Genesis, SNES, and NES games. Plays almost every game but glitches on a couple (Castlevania 4 sticks out as a major one that bugs out)

Dimnos

Jul 13th, 2011, 06:26 PM

Super Mario World > Mario 64

go....

Guitar Woman

Jul 13th, 2011, 06:28 PM

I rate all three NES games, Yoshi's Island, and 64 as better than World. Come at me, bros.

In addition, I deposit that Metroid is the only flagship Nintendo series that had a masterpiece installment on the SNES.

Dimnos

Jul 13th, 2011, 06:30 PM

64 blew chunks. :rolleyes

Guitar Woman

Jul 13th, 2011, 06:42 PM

It really didn't!

I've played through that game so much I could probably get all 120 stars while blindfolded.

King Hadas

Jul 13th, 2011, 09:00 PM

I never liked Super Mario World. I never really warmed up to any of the old mario games except for Yoshi's Island. I liked the 3d ones more.

In addition, I deposit that Metroid is the only flagship Nintendo series that had a masterpiece installment on the SNES.
What about Kirby Superstar? Or Super Punchout? or Donkey Kong Country 1/2/3? or Earthbound?

Guitar Woman

Jul 14th, 2011, 12:37 AM

It's been so long since I played Superstar that I completely forgot about it.

Pentegarn

Jul 14th, 2011, 06:30 AM

What about Kirby Superstar? Or Super Punchout? or Donkey Kong Country 1/2/3? or Earthbound?

Zelda as well

Chojin

Jul 14th, 2011, 07:03 AM

64 is the best, but world is a close second imo

I remember when the SNES came out and circuit city had SMW on every tv in the back. A few years later they also had a promo video for the CD-i zelda on a couple displays in the back. I remember being all WOAAAH AWESOMEEE

Guitar Woman

Jul 14th, 2011, 11:23 AM

Zelda as well

We've been over this, that game sucks

WhiteRat

Jul 14th, 2011, 04:30 PM

We've been over this, that game sucks

Still maintaining that edginess I see.

Pentegarn

Jul 14th, 2011, 04:47 PM

We've been over this, that game sucks

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and most of them stink

Grislygus

Jul 14th, 2011, 04:50 PM

which Zelda sucks? I'm late to the party here

Pentegarn

Jul 14th, 2011, 05:53 PM

GW's saying the SNES Zelda sucks

Guitar Woman

Jul 14th, 2011, 07:40 PM

I'm not just saying that, I legitimately don't like it.

Pentegarn

Jul 14th, 2011, 08:20 PM

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and most of them stink

:picklehat

executioneer

Jul 14th, 2011, 08:39 PM

i like my version of that saying better
Opinions are like assholes, nobody's going to cum all over yours unless you're particularly attractive

Grislygus

Jul 14th, 2011, 09:30 PM

Okay, I know everybody else has heard this before, but I haven't. How is Link to the Past anything other than a polished Super Nintendo version of everything that you would expect from a Zelda game? I mean, I get it if you don't like the series, but I don't get disliking Link to the Past specifically. Unless you prefer the series in 3d, but you said you liked Link's Awakening?

I'm not being an asshole or asking leading questions for once, I'm legitimately interested

Guitar Woman

Jul 14th, 2011, 11:22 PM

Basically it was a NES game with upgraded graphics and clumsy design, and didn't have the storybook feel I love from the later games or the ballsy gameplay in the first two.

WhiteRat

Jul 14th, 2011, 11:51 PM

Link's Awakening was more or less a scaled down version of Link To The Past.

Guitar Woman

Jul 15th, 2011, 01:05 AM

Except better

Pentegarn

Jul 15th, 2011, 06:12 AM

If by better you mean here's an annoying interrupting owl getting in your grill while you try to play, then yes!

Bubsy

Jul 15th, 2011, 06:30 AM

LINK!!!!! LISTEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chojin

Jul 15th, 2011, 07:28 AM

what's clumsy about LTTP's design?

i think it's one of the most solid games ever made, and i think pretty much every other zelda game was designed by a drunken lemur

Guitar Woman

Jul 15th, 2011, 11:05 AM

The levels in that game are horrible pieces of shit, especially after you get to the dark world

"Shit man I can't think of anything clever to put so I guess we'll just have 5000 rooms where the floor tiles float up and attack you. Then maybe some keyhunting and aimless wandering in a roundabout for about 30 years to balance it out. Super pro puzzles!"

I also hate the way combat feels. All of the enemies just sort of bounce off your sword like they're made of rubber and make that pathetic low-fi 16-bit scratch noise. I like the music in the game, but the sound effects just downright bother me with how limpwristed and shitty they are. This might be nit-picking, but fuck you, I hate it.

Basically I hate LttP because it's the same game as Zelda 1, only horribly shitty and boring. I can accept people liking it, but I don't know how the fuck anyone thinks it's the best Zelda. Not even close.

10,000 Volt Ghost

Jul 15th, 2011, 02:53 PM

I don't think there is a single flaw in link to the past.

Guitar Woman

Jul 15th, 2011, 03:17 PM

I do, it's that it sucks

10,000 Volt Ghost

Jul 15th, 2011, 03:29 PM

sounds like its more of a user error.

Zomboid

Jul 15th, 2011, 03:50 PM

Boom. LttP is a fucking masterpiece. Anyone who thinks there's nothing more to the dungeons and temples than floating tiles probably hasn't even played it for more than a few minutes--that, or they're some dickwad, hipster-wannabe contrarian who just has to chime in with logical arguments like "it sucks."

Guitar Woman

Jul 15th, 2011, 03:56 PM

10,000 Volt Ghost

Jul 15th, 2011, 03:58 PM

I read everything you write gw. Ever infuriating word.

Guitar Woman

Jul 15th, 2011, 04:11 PM

Pentegarn

Jul 15th, 2011, 05:02 PM

that, or they're some dickwad, hipster-wannabe contrarian who just has to chime in with logical arguments like "it sucks."

The internet is teeming with them >:

The thing is, and GW kind of touched on this in the whole "but I know none of you are going to read it" thing, nobody wants to hear your reasons why a game that 95% of the gaming world thinks is a masterpiece is in your opinion, a turd. When 95% of people think it is awesome, and you are in that little minority, you are simply wrong. I am sure we all have a game we dislike that 95% of the gaming world thinks we are wrong for disliking, and in those cases, they are right, but we soldier on and keep it to ourselves. There are a few important reasons for this.

1) Nobody really cares what we think
2) There is probably a logical reason we hate it that makes real sense, i.e. we never really had time to play it enough, a small insignificant flaw pissed us off, it raped us when we were 5, and so on
3) Why do we need to shit in 95% of the gaming populaces' cornflakes? Let them enjoy it and we can go on not enjoying it.

I can give a good example of one I used to hate that it seemed everyone else loved, and why I was wrong. The Guitar Hero series. I was one of those "you aren't playing a real guitar" assholes. I saw the negative stories of people who play it all day and never work. It was enough for me to say, 'everyone else is wrong, Guitar Hero sucks". I had never actually played it, and I felt by watching a couple videos of it I had all the experience I needed. Then I snagged a new copy with the guitar controller on the cheap and gave it a shot. I played it while my brother made fun of me and I laughed so hard at his jokes, my messups on songs, and I found myself actually having fun. Turns out I held an opinion that was misinformed and wrong

Guitar Woman

Jul 15th, 2011, 07:09 PM

When 95% of people think it is awesome, and you are in that little minority, you are simply wrong.
Subjective

You also have to remember that 95% of people are idiots

I had never actually played it, and I felt by watching a couple videos of it I had all the experience I needed.

Ok, but I formed this opinion after playing LttP multiple times. I didn't just decide to hate it out of the blue one day. The hate grew inside of me after I had time to digest the game, like the miracle of life.

King Hadas

Jul 15th, 2011, 08:04 PM

obody wants to hear your reasons why a game that 95% of the gaming world thinks is a masterpiece is in your opinion, a turd.
I don't know about that. If the majority says a game is good then a contrary voice will be more interesting then more of the same. That's the attraction of being contrarion. By the way I didn't really like lttp either, but I then I don't like any of the old Zeldas.

Pentegarn

Jul 15th, 2011, 10:41 PM

You and GW can get together and make LttP hate babies then

And it isn't subjective when rock solid numbers support something GW, that is actually the polar opposite of subjective.

Here's an example of a subjective statement though:
"This sucks because I don't like it".
No facts, no reasons, just emotion.

Now, here's an example of a non subjective statement
"Game x is a good game, it is good because 95% of people who have played it have liked it"
See that? There's numbers supporting a statement.

Furthermore, I don't believe for a moment that you played LttP 2 times through, or even one time through. If you really played it twice through and it took you that long to decide it was bad, you are simply an idiot who takes way too long to figure out anything. Do you stick your hand in fire and take two weeks to decide it burns? I submit you are either an idiot, or a liar

Dr. Boogie

Jul 15th, 2011, 10:45 PM

I've beaten it twice, actually. I already outlined my reasons for not liking it the last time we talked about this, and I just summarized them. I could go into explicit detail again but I know none of you are going to read it.

People keep getting on you about it because your reasons are dumb.

1. You don't like the sound effects.
2. There were a couple flying tile rooms that pissed you off.
3. It's just like the first game, but without the "ballsy gameplay".

How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when that's the reasoning behind your hatin'?

Guitar Woman

Jul 15th, 2011, 11:40 PM

>shit puzzles
>shit level design
>boring, samey visuals
>shitty, unsatisfying combat
>shit sound effects
>fucking keyhunts and aimless wandering
>essentially a NES game with beefed up graphics
>just like Zelda 1 except without any decent puzzles or challenge
>boring

How about we stop talking about LttP and start talking about Majora's Mask, a much better game

King Hadas

Jul 15th, 2011, 11:55 PM

Now, here's an example of a non subjective statement
"Game x is a good game, it is good because 95% of people who have played it have liked it"
See that? There's numbers supporting a statement.
95% is a big number but it's still just a bunch of opinions, which are by definition subjective. Even if 100% thought well of lttp I'm not sure even that would qualify it as being objectively good. I don't think what makes a game "good" is defined well enough that you can apply it and then prove it objectively true.

Anyways, we all know the game is popular (you can probably prove that as an objective fact) but that doesn't mean it's flawless. I say, objectively, that I did not like lttp and I also say, objectively, that I value my own opinion over the opinion of 95% of some hypothetical demographic.

Grislygus

Jul 16th, 2011, 12:51 AM

I'M reading what you're writing, GW, and everyone else is pretty much dissecting it.

I don't know about that. If the majority says a game is good then a contrary voice will be more interesting then more of the same. That's the attraction of being contrarion. By the way I didn't really like lttp either, but I then I don't like any of the old Zeldas.

Here's something I understand. If you don't have fun playing the 2d zeldas, of course you're not going to like lttp.

I'm not going to argue in favor of it, but I'm loving this argument. Why are the puzzles in LttP inferior to zelda one and two...?

WhiteRat

Jul 16th, 2011, 01:55 AM

Why are the puzzles in LttP inferior to zelda one and two...?

or even a monochrome scaled down 8bit handheld version?

Pentegarn

Jul 16th, 2011, 06:22 AM

95% is a big number but it's still just a bunch of opinions, which are by definition subjective. Even if 100% thought well of lttp I'm not sure even that would qualify it as being objectively good. I don't think what makes a game "good" is defined well enough that you can apply it and then prove it objectively true.

Anyways, we all know the game is popular (you can probably prove that as an objective fact) but that doesn't mean it's flawless. I say, objectively, that I did not like lttp and I also say, objectively, that I value my own opinion over the opinion of 95% of some hypothetical demographic.

Because last I checked, video games are a business. The people who make them are in it to make money. That majority of the player base like the game, spend their money, make a huge profit, so the game becomes, say it with me now, a S U C C E S S.

All GW has given us is a list of "I don't like x's" but that is not tangible evidence that a game is bad, it is just a series of opinions from someone that wants to dislike. Key word there, 'wants'.

I find people who want to dislike something just to be 'different' to be hilarious. I also find them to be somewhat cowardly and hypocritical. If you want to be different, go all the freaking way. Don't just hate things everyone loves, declare you love things everyone hates. Join the neo nazis, watch Sandra Prill videos, buy a copy of Ishtar, get the game ET for Atari 2600 and play it nonstop. Of course none of them do, so in the end their opinions are laughable, empty, and meaningless because half measures get you nowhere.

While we are at it, the internet is pretty popular, aren't you being a conformist by using it?